<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><DIV>A slight alternative to this is to record a constant audio stream and taken photos (of nothing) along the way, then you just need to say "I'm taking a photo as we pass a post box on the left" and you know that the first photo that shows up is where the post box was.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>I actually use my mobile phone to record my audio commentaries, works out quite well as I also use it (with a bluetooth GPS) to take my GPS traces so I just have 2 bits of kit (well, 3 including my camera). I usually use my handsfree kit so that even when I'm on the bike I can work this way.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>John</DIV><DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On 15 Oct 2007, at 15:04, Steve Chilton wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"> <DIV class="Section1"><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Some of my best friends are inanimate objects ……<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P> <DIV><P style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><FONT size="2" color="navy" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt;color:navy">Steve Chilton, Learning Support Fellow<BR> Learning and Technical Support Unit Manager<BR> School of Health and Social Sciences<BR> Middlesex University<BR> phone/fax: 020 8411 5355<BR> email: <A href="mailto:steve8@mdx.ac.uk">steve8@mdx.ac.uk</A><BR> <BR> Chair of the Society of Cartographers: <A href="http://www.soc.org.uk/">http://www.soc.org.uk/</A><BR> <BR> SoC conference 2007:<BR> <A href="http://www.port.ac.uk/special/soc/">http://www.port.ac.uk/special/soc/</A><BR> <BR> Mind the (Map) Gap:<BR> <A href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/5413010.stm">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/5413010.stm</A><BR> <BR> </SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"> <HR size="2" width="100%" align="center" tabindex="-1"> </SPAN></FONT></DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><B><FONT size="2" face="Tahoma"><SPAN lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT size="2" face="Tahoma"><SPAN lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"> talk-bounces@openstreetmap.org [<A href="mailto:talk-bounces@openstreetmap.org">mailto:talk-bounces@openstreetmap.org</A>] <B><SPAN style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>80n<BR> <B><SPAN style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> 15 October 2007 14:53<BR> <B><SPAN style="font-weight:bold">To:</SPAN></B> David Earl<BR> <B><SPAN style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> talk_at_openstreetmap<BR> <B><SPAN style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [OSM-talk] voice recorders</SPAN></FONT><SPAN lang="EN-US"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P> </DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size: 12.0pt"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:12.0pt">I've been using the built-in voice tagging capability of my camera for this purpose. It works exceptionally well.<BR> <BR> Most digital cameras have a method of recording a voice tag along with a photograph - although its often an obscure and poorly documented feature. <BR> <BR> I don't actually take photos of a specific object - just press the shutter button to get a time stamp. You can then load the photos into JOSM and synchronise them with your tracklogs. You can then play the associated voice tag to tell you what happened at that point. <BR> <BR> It works really well once you get over the fact that some people think that you are a nutter because you're talking to your camera.<BR> <BR> 80n<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P> <DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><SPAN class="gmailquote"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:12.0pt">On 10/15/07, <B><SPAN style="font-weight:bold">David Earl</SPAN></B> <<A href="mailto:david@frankieandshadow.com">david@frankieandshadow.com</A>> wrote:</SPAN></FONT></SPAN><O:P></O:P></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size: 12.0pt">On 15/10/2007 13:58, Jeffrey Martin wrote:<BR> > I was thinking of getting a voice recorder. Do they have clocks?<BR> > Can you synchronize the times and use that to find your<BR> > location on the track?<BR> > Can I ride on the bus and say, "Tunnel begins.... Now"? <BR> > to mark a point?<BR> ><BR> <BR> In principle yes, but I quickly abandoned the idea. If I had some<BR> software to support it it might be easier (e.g. point at a location on<BR> the track to jump to the relevant bit of commentary) <BR> <BR> My Olympus VN-480PC<BR> (<A href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Audio_mapping">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Audio_mapping</A>) does have<BR> date/time (timestamps the file), though it would have to be calibrated <BR> to the GPS like you would a camera timestamp. You would have to start a<BR> new recording (file) for each POI (it doesn't timestamp each<BR> pause/resume, only new recordings), and then measure the time into the<BR> recording when you say 'now'. Also bear in mind you'll be moving at<BR> 10m/s or so.<BR> <BR> I found the easiest way on a bike was simply to do a circle in the road<BR> so it is marked on the trace. But obviously you don't have that luxury <BR> on a bus. Waypoints on the GPS were just too tedious - I would need to<BR> stop cycling; but it may be easier on a bus.<BR> <BR> I wish my recorder had voice command activated start/stop. The voice<BR> activation is too sensitive to car and breathing (using a headset) to be <BR> of any use. If I had the "jump to commentary" software I mentioned,<BR> I'd just leave it running and wouldn't have to listen to hours of heavy<BR> breathing!<BR> <BR> David<BR> <BR> _______________________________________________ <BR> talk mailing list<BR> <A href="mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org">talk@openstreetmap.org</A><BR> <A href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk">http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk </A><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P> </DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size: 12.0pt"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P> </DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">_______________________________________________</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">talk mailing list</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org">talk@openstreetmap.org</A></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk">http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk</A></DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV></BODY></HTML>