<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 29, 2008 12:13 PM, Michael Collinson <<a href="mailto:mike@ayeltd.biz" target="_blank">mike@ayeltd.biz</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div>At 12:59 AM 1/29/2008, Frederik Ramm wrote:<br>>Hi,<br>><br>>I wrote the following two weeks ago because I felt that the talk list<br>>was a bit flooded by administrative "voting ends", "voting opens",<br>
>"comments requested" etc. messages:<br>><br>> > would it make sense to create a new mailing list - say<br>> > "<a href="mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">tagging@openstreetmap.org</a>" or so - to which all tag proposals and<br>
> > requests for comments/votes could be directed, and reclaim talk@ for<br>> > informal community chat?<br>><br>>At the time, I thought we had somewhat of a consensus that we should<br>>either create an extra list or have one condensed "voting issues"<br>
>posting per week (or so).<br>><br>>Alas, not much has changed since then, so I repeat the suggestion:<br>>Let's create an extra list for formal aspects of tagging discussions.<br><br></div>I usually agree with everything Frederick says, which saves me a lot<br>
of time not writing to the list, but this time politely<br>disagree. I'd say hold off for several months at least. The formal<br>conversation carries on the Wiki page anyway, why have the headache<br>of another list and formal administration?<br>
<br>- Tagging is still relatively immature and still goes off in<br>unexpected directions which impact how and where OSM develops. It is<br>therefore an important part of the general buzz of OSM and therefore<br>belongs on the main list.<br>
<br>- Announcing RfCs/voting on the main list has really breathed life<br>into getting the effort of getting a progressively coherent,<br>harmonious global core tag set that is at least partially<br>understandable in different countries.<br>
<br>- It has been good to get at least the occasional involvement of<br>folks outside the 5 or 6 (?) hardcore.<br><br>- The volume is not that high surely. In any case, it is artificially<br>high at the moment as Robin tries to clear the backlog.<br>
<br>- If you are not interested in the specifics, hit delete - the<br>Subject carries the gist and the general message is usefully made.<br></blockquote><div><br><br>I understand the hassle of creating a new list or doing the weekly round-up, and all the downsides of people not getting as involved etc.<br>
<br>Can I suggest a compromise for the moment?<br>What about if people starting the threads could include something obvious in the subject which would enable people to filter them out easily? I have a bunch of rules on my google filter to separate these mails out, but they're not very effective because there is no clear structure to the subject.<br>
I'd suggest something like:<br>"[tagging] vote open for *****"<br><br>Ulf has already been including [vote] and [RFC] in mail subjects, it would be nice to get something like this more ingrained.<br><br>There isn't actually a lot of traffic from these mails, but they do cause a relatively massive number of threads which tends to drown out the rest of the list.<br>
<br>Dave<br><br></div></div>