<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 2:39 PM, Andy Robinson (blackadder) <<a href="mailto:blackadderajr@googlemail.com">blackadderajr@googlemail.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Dave Stubbs wrote:<br>
>Sent: 19 March 2008 2:25 PM<br>
>To: Gervase Markham<br>
>Cc: <a href="mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org">talk@openstreetmap.org</a><br>
>Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Tag proposal/approval system is too heavyweight<br>
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>On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 2:03 PM, Gervase Markham <<a href="mailto:gerv-gmane@gerv.net">gerv-gmane@gerv.net</a>><br>
>wrote:<br>
>> Frederik Ramm wrote:<br>
>> > Why not ditch the whole notion of "approved" features altogether. It<br>
>> > doesn't cut any meat in our community anyway. What does "approved"<br>
>> > mean, and who has the right to "approve" something?<br>
>><br>
>> Having an approved set of tags means that there is ideally 1, but<br>
>> certainly a small number of ways of tagging common features, rather than<br>
>> 15 or 50. This makes it much easier for renderers, routing and other<br>
>> types of software, and much easier for people who are improving an area<br>
>> of map that someone else has worked on to figure out what they meant.<br>
><br>
><br>
>Just because you don't "approve" the tag, doesn't mean everybody does<br>
>their own thing and ignores everyone else without any discussion.<br>
>And this thread is starting to give me deja vu.... so lets not rehash<br>
>this argument again.<br>
><br>
><br>
>><br>
>> It also means that when a particular tag is used, it only has one<br>
>> meaning. Without some standardisation, does maxspeed=50 mean mph or kph?<br>
>> Or does it vary from country to country?<br>
><br>
>whoa! now that's some serious deja vu....<br>
><br>
>><br>
>> What is the difference between your argument and "Why have the notion of<br>
>> an "approved" set of HTML tags? The web is a collaborative community.<br>
>> No-one has the right to approve anything. We should all just use the<br>
>> markup tags that seem most sensible."?<br>
><br>
>it's called XML... and microsoft have proved what really cuts the mustard<br>
>there.<br>
><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> > Right, generate it from the planet file and that's that. Maybe have a<br>
>> > wiki page that documents what the renderers do and at what zoom level<br>
>> > (ideally auto-generated as well).<br>
>><br>
>> Except that such a generated page would have no way of ordering and<br>
>> classifying the tags so that you could find the one you wanted.<br>
><br>
>Here I agree. You want some more information than just that. ie: a<br>
>system where people can document and add meta data to tagging schemes<br>
>such as categorisation and common groupings (although maybe that one<br>
>can be automated a bit). A planet dump is a good base, but some<br>
>explanation for horse=yes wouldn't go amiss.<br>
><br>
<br>
</div></div>80n and I were just discussing this issue over coffee. We both feel that<br>
generating tag lists from planet is a good idea, but to give prominence to<br>
them (ranking if you like) it would be good to have the number of users for<br>
a particular tag rather than the actual occurrence of the tag in the<br>
database. </blockquote><div><br>Yes, but it would be even better to count the number of different users who have *added* an instance of a tag. This is slightly different to counting the users who last edited an element with any given tag.<br>
<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Planet is supposed to have usernames now (where are we with that<br>
one?) so it should be a relatively simple task to automate from planet as<br>
others have attempted to do previously (tagwatch etc).<br>
<br>
We could still do with a logical layout structure for tags, to help find<br>
them, associate them with other tags, and to assist in new tag names, but<br>
that's a separate task.<br>
<br>
Cheers<br>
<font color="#888888"><br>
Andy<br>
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>Dave<br>
><br>
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