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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000 size=3>Hi,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000 size=3>I think the word 'usable' is being used in a strange way. When someone says 'adding the coordinates makes the map less usable' they mean 'Many people don't know what that funny number means and when people see something they don't understand, they feel unconfortable, so they are unlikely to visit this website again'.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>I myself dont have a clear opinion on whether the coordinates should be there or not. Perhaps an intermediate decision: the coordinates would appear if the mouse keeps still for 2 seconds.</DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>Apart from this, I'd like to congratulate the person who has taken the time to transform Spherical Mercator coordinates to longitude and latitude (bottom right corner in http://<A href="http://www.informationfreeway.org">www.informationfreeway.org</A>). I think that person should be asked to redesign the scale bar in <A href="http://www.openstreetmap.org">http://www.openstreetmap.org</A>)</DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>And a question: nobody showed the difference between the Cape Town map on OSM and on Google Maps in the FOSS4G conference?</DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000 size=3>cheers</FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>De:</B> talk-bounces@openstreetmap.org en nombre de elvin ibbotson<BR><B>Enviado el:</B> mar 07/10/2008 9:28<BR><B>Para:</B> Steve Coast<BR><B>CC:</B> Talk Openstreetmap<BR><B>Asunto:</B> Re: [OSM-talk] map display www.openstreetmap.org<BR></FONT><BR></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica; COLOR: #000000" face=Helvetica color=#000000 size=3><B>From: </B></FONT><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica" face=Helvetica size=3>SteveC <<A href="mailto:steve@asklater.com">steve@asklater.com</A>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica; COLOR: #000000" face=Helvetica color=#000000 size=3><B>Date: </B></FONT><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica" face=Helvetica size=3>2 October 2008 22:51:14 BDT</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica; COLOR: #000000" face=Helvetica color=#000000 size=3><B>Cc: </B></FONT><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica" face=Helvetica size=3><A href="mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org">talk@openstreetmap.org</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica; COLOR: #000000" face=Helvetica color=#000000 size=3><B>Subject: </B></FONT><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica" face=Helvetica size=3><B>Re: [OSM-talk] map display <A href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/">www.openstreetmap.org</A></B></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 12px Lucida Sans" face="Lucida Sans" size=3>On 1 Oct 2008, at 11:01, Ulf Mehlig wrote:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 12px Lucida Sans" face="Lucida Sans" size=3>Hello Frederik, thanks for your answer. The coordinate display at</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 12px Lucida Sans" face="Lucida Sans" size=3>www.informationfreeway.org is what I was looking for. Wouldn't it be</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 12px Lucida Sans" face="Lucida Sans" size=3>possible to integrate this function into the main OpenStreetMap site? I</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 12px Lucida Sans" face="Lucida Sans" size=3>think this would definitely improve the attractiveness of the map</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 12px Lucida Sans" face="Lucida Sans" size=3>display (even more, if degree-minute-second based coordinates would</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 12px Lucida Sans" face="Lucida Sans" size=3>appear, too -- for many people, the decimal coordinates are not what</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 12px Lucida Sans" face="Lucida Sans" size=3>Just demonstrably not true. Most people don't know what co-ordinates are or care that they don't know. It would just clutter the map and make us look less usable.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: 'Lucida Grande'">It looks like fakeSteveC or someone is pretending to be you and posting elitist, patronising, condescending rubbish in an apparent attempt to make you look foolish. I look forward to it being demonstrated that 'most people don't know what coordinates are'.</DIV>
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