<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:29 AM, SteveC <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:steve@asklater.com">steve@asklater.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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On 4 Mar 2009, at 10:26, Dave Stubbs wrote:<br>
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> 2009/3/4 Gustav Foseid <<a href="mailto:gustavf@gmail.com">gustavf@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
>> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 6:38 PM, David Earl <<a href="mailto:david@frankieandshadow.com">david@frankieandshadow.com</a><br>
>> ><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> They used the map to pin the locations - the points did not come<br>
>>> from<br>
>>> some other map. Therefore it is derived (this is precisely the<br>
>>> problem<br>
>>> with pinning pictures on a Google or OSM map). So if they put the<br>
>>> data<br>
>>> in a database (= spreadsheet for example) before printing it, that<br>
>>> would<br>
>>> be derived, surely.<br>
>><br>
>> The coordinates came from a Produced Work (some map image og paper<br>
>> map). As<br>
>> I read the license, works (or databases) based on a Produced Work<br>
>> is not<br>
>> subject to the conditions of the ODbL.<br>
><br>
><br>
> If you were able to extract coordinates then this could be regarded as<br>
> reverse engineering the Produced Work, in which case it's covered by<br>
> 4.7<br>
> There's that "substantial" caveat again though.<br>
<br>
</div>Very unlikely, derived individual coordinates are facts. I've asked<br>
multiple lawyers about this personally.<br>
</blockquote><div><br>Are you saying that facts that are derived from a Produced Work are not covered by the reverse engineering clause?<br><br>If I derive the location of all the street corners of a city from a rendered map then that is just a collection of facts and not a reverse engineered recreation of the original database? If so, it doesn't seem like the reverse engineering clause is worth the paper its written on.<br>
<br>80n<br><br><br><br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><br>
Best<br>
<br>
Steve<br>
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