<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br><div><div>On 18 Mar 2009, at 17:11, Lester Caine wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>Tim 'avatar' Bartel wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#006312"><br></font><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">If we're going to cooperate with Wikipedia, then they need to<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">cooperate with us by not allowing any dangling links.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">There are several reasons why this isn't possible, but the biggest one<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">is the following: Wikipedia isn't controlled by the Wikimedia<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Foundation but by the community. With whom do you like to make an<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">arrangement? It's pretty hard to make an arrangement with a community<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">consisting out of constantly changing people.<br></blockquote><br>That is probably the main reason who I would prefer to find an <br>alternative 'location' to direct links to. And some useful suggestions <br>have already been made.<br><br>While I CAN appreciate the idea of our own wiki. That would require a <br>lot more hardware. Viovio has several terabytes of images already, and I <br>suspect wikitravel.org can probably top that. So sharing the load would <br>sound a lot more sensible?</div></blockquote><div><br></div>As I see it there are a number of different sorts of 'associated' data for OSM that needs a reliable and welcoming home somewhere:</div><div><br></div><div>1) Photos - these need to have locations and a direction or alternatively two positions, one for the camera and one for the subject of the photo. In addition to that it is useful to know when it was taken and any special attributes, was it taken when it was snowing, was it raining, is it a picture of something pretty or of a defect or of a signpost or what. All of this information would allow applications to decide which ones to use. A journey planner would show pictures of the pretty things on the route but another application might want to show defects to the local council or show illegal parking to the police. So... there is a whole load of stuff to do with photos , some pretty pictures of scenery can go in WikiTravel and Viovio etc, but some of the other stuff wouldn't be appreciated there and we might need to provide a home.</div><div><br></div><div>2) Articles - background information for a street, when it was constructed, why, where its name came from and possibly plans for its future. Hard to see who else would give this house-room.</div><div><br></div><div>3) Subjective information about ways - muddy in winter, poor lighting, too narrow for a double buggy, very crowded on market days etc.</div><div><br></div><div>I would like us to think about all this stuff. We need to decide which bit below in Wikipedia (certainly the right place for articles about towns), for Viovio (pretty pictures?), and which nerdy details about traffic, pot poles, traffic signs and bus stop poles and origins of street names belong in OSM and no-where else.</div><div><br></div><div>Finally, lets not be frightened about the cost of another box and the hosting because terrabytes and gigabytes are really cheap these days. We have just bought a box with 7 Terrabytes of disk storage and it cost <£100 per terrabyte. We are also about to import all 1,000,000 of photos of geographic features in the UK from Geograph (all CCBYSA) to see how it copes.</div><div><br></div><div>Can I suggest that if we are serious about this that we get a wiki page together with the brief for the project and see what it looks like as we work on it. Does this project have a name and are in vague agreement about the scope and the need?</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Peter</div><div><br></div><div> <br><blockquote type="cite"><div><br><br>-- <br>Lester Caine - G8HFL<br>-----------------------------<br>Contact - <a href="http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact">http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact</a><br>L.S.Caine Electronic Services - <a href="http://lsces.co.uk">http://lsces.co.uk</a><br>EnquirySolve - <a href="http://enquirysolve.com/">http://enquirysolve.com/</a><br>Model Engineers Digital Workshop - <a href="http://medw.co.uk//">http://medw.co.uk//</a><br>Firebird - <a href="http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php">http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php</a><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>talk mailing list<br><a href="mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org">talk@openstreetmap.org</a><br>http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk<br></div></blockquote></div><br></body></html>