Maybe not clear but I was talking about the non-natural ones.<br><br>Kevin<br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 4:59 PM, Barnett, Phillip <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:PHILLIP.BARNETT@itn.co.uk">PHILLIP.BARNETT@itn.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold;" lang="EN-US">From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;" lang="EN-US">
<a href="mailto:talk-bounces@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">talk-bounces@openstreetmap.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:talk-bounces@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">talk-bounces@openstreetmap.org</a>] <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>Kevin Peat<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> 23 May 2009 15:44<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Stanislav Brabec<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> <a href="mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">talk@openstreetmap.org</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC]
tagging stones in the wild (erratic, balancing, boundary, stone age, artifact)</span></font><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Hi Stanislav,<br>
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I agree there is something missing in this area as I've added some things on Dartmoor (which has a vast amount of this stuff) and
couldn't find many helpful tags already in use.<br>
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I'm not too keen on natural=stone as surely the significant thing about these
artifacts is they are not natural. Either historic or man_made would seem
better.<br>
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I didn't spend too much time thinking about it but so far I've used:<br>
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historic=stone_row<br>
historic=stone_circle<br>
historic=standing_stone<br>
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I didn't use menhir for standing stone as I didn't a lot of people would know
what it means.<br>
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regards,<br>
Kevin<br>
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<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Stanislav Brabec <<a href="mailto:utx@penguin.cz" target="_blank">utx@penguin.cz</a>> wrote:</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">It seems that mapping features lack stones. In a flat country, any<br>
bigger stone has its local name and it is an important orientation<br>
point. But OSM now lacks any classification and rendering of stones. If<br>
you look at Stonehenge, you see just two
points in the mapnik map.<br>
<br>
Some of stones use tourism=attraction, some use natural=stone<br>
(unofficial), some of them use historic=monument or historic=memorial,<br>
some use amenity=place_of_worship,religion=stone_age_druidic<br>
or tourism=artwork.<br>
<br>
Let's try to classify it. Note that sometimes it is not possible to<br>
decide the history of the stone and assign correct tag and we have to<br>
consider it as a generic stone.<br>
<br>
I would like to propose a new tag for point (a stone), way (a line of<br>
stones), and area (area with stones)<br>
<br>
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Generic stone<br>
=============<br>
Just a stone in the wild without any known story.<br>
<br>
natural=stone (German wiki already documents this tag)<br>
optional:<br>
size=large (several tons), medium (can be moved by few people), small<br>
(can be moved by a single persons)<br>
count=number of stones (maybe size=large,medium count=1,5 could mean<br>
1 large and 5 medium stones)<br>
<br>
<br>
Balancing boulder (wobble stone)<br>
================================<br>
<br>
A stone in an unstable position. A small power allows the stone to be<br>
wobbled. Some of them are natural, some of them are human made or human<br>
moved.<br>
<br>
Mark as generic stone plus:<br>
type=balancing (or type=wobble, comment from any native English?)<br>
<br>
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Erratic boulder<br>
===============<br>
<br>
A boulder moved by a ice code during the ice age. It has a significantly<br>
different composition than stones in the nature around.<br>
<br>
Mark as generic stone plus:<br>
type=erratic<br>
<br>
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Boundary stone<br>
==============<br>
<br>
Single, several or many boulders moved by a human to mark boundary of a<br>
ground, or just moved away from a cultivated area. Most of them has just<br>
a natural shape, but some of them may have some carving.<br>
<br>
Natural stone mark as generic stone plus:<br>
type=boundary<br>
<br>
Stone with carving: I am unsure (artifact or still a natural stone)<br>
<br>
<br>
Stone age artifacts<br>
===================<br>
<br>
I am not sure, whether these stones should use natural=stone (they<br>
consists from a natural stone and something it's impossible to<br>
discriminate) or historic=... or even place_of_worship (the religion is<br>
very unsure for most of them, and even religious purpose is not sure)<br>
<br>
Here a list of probably most common types.<br>
<br>
type=<br>
menhir: vertically placed stone (most of them are lone stone, but some<br>
of them consist from more stones)<br>
<br>
dolmen: a set o stones with a flat stone roof<br>
<br>
human_made_area: area with stones following certain idea<br>
<br>
human_made_array: array of stones - area consisting of a stone line<br>
<br>
stone_image: stone image consisting of hundreds or thousands small<br>
stones<br>
<br>
<br>
Other artifacts<br>
===============<br>
<br>
Stones placed in memory of something may be historic=memorial,<br>
sculptures may be tourism=artwork... I am not sure.<br>
<br>
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________________________________________________________________________<br>
Stanislav Brabec<br>
<a href="http://www.penguin.cz/%7Eutx" target="_blank">http://www.penguin.cz/~utx</a><br>
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