On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 9:01 AM, John Smith <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:deltafoxtrot256@gmail.com">deltafoxtrot256@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class="im">2009/8/30 Anthony <<a href="mailto:osm@inbox.org">osm@inbox.org</a>>:<br>
</div><div class="im">> It was you who suggested that a stop sign is applicable to a lane not a<br>
> way. I'd say, like Tobias, that it is applicable to a way and a direction.<br>
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</div>No, you stop at a stop sign which is a point on a way, direction only<br>
matters if you can't tag this point on individual lanes.</blockquote><div><br>I could just as well say that lane only matters if you can't tag this point in individual directions.<br><br>Of course, if you want to add up the instances of one-lane, bi-directional, roads with stop signs, and the instances of undivided roads with stop-signs which only apply to some lanes going in the same direction, I'm sure there are many many more of the former. <br>
</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">> exceptions I can think of this is especially appropriate because at the spot<br>
<div class="im">
> where the stop sign applies to one lane and not the others the road is<br>
> divided by a painted median and changing lanes is not allowed. There are<br>
> probably a small number of exceptions where this is not true, but splitting<br>
> the way in those cases is harmless.<br>
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</div>I think you are confusing what I said, assuming you have a way which<br>
is a lane of through traffic that runs in each direction, the stop<br>
sign only applies to one of the 2 lanes, not the entire way.</blockquote><div><br>It also applies to one of the 2 directions. There aren't supposed to be people going in the wrong direction in the wrong lane, so this is a degenerate case. <br>
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</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="im">> I really don't see how it's less complicated to use the physical rather than<br>
> the logical. It's actually much more complicated when you get into the<br>
> micro areas and you start adding straight lines through a large intersection<br>
> instead of curved left turns.<br>
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</div>Because most ways are a simple case of 2 symmetrical lanes, one in<br>
each direction, so simplier because it's half the work to make 2 lanes<br>
by making a single way.</blockquote><div><br>And in all the common cases, that's exactly what you do.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Mapping a way becomes more easier than lanes<br>
if there is 3 or 4 or 10 lanes.<br></blockquote><div> <br>And in 99% of cases, if there is no restriction between changing lanes, that's what you do.<br><br>What would you do in this case: <a href="http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&sll=27.965755,-82.546307&sspn=0.000776,0.001194&ie=UTF8&ll=27.966151,-82.546337&spn=0.000776,0.001194&t=h&z=20">http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&sll=27.965755,-82.546307&sspn=0.000776,0.001194&ie=UTF8&ll=27.966151,-82.546337&spn=0.000776,0.001194&t=h&z=20</a><br>
<br>We have a six-lane road with all the lanes going in the same direction, separated into groups of three lanes by nothing but paint. There is a traffic light for the left three lanes, and no traffic light for the right three lanes. As you see, whoever provided the map for Google split the way.<br>
<br>Would you split the way? Is there a physical separation? Does paint count?<br></div></div>