<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br><div><div>On 2 Sep 2009, at 13:18, Bjarki Sigursveinsson wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">I can confirm that the changes this user has made in Iceland are completely disruptive and illogical. The user has gone all around the country and either promoted or demoted roads in a seemingly random way without any regard to the established conventions of the Icelandic mapping community. I have tried communiating with this user but there have been no responses. The damage that has been done is way too widespread to be reverted manually.<br></blockquote><div><br></div>I spoke to members of the Data Working Group recently and it seems clear to me (and them) that dealing with vandalism is in general a community problem, not their problem. They are mainly about dealing with those situations where a legal response is required such as copyright violation or where an official email might help. Banning people is a possible last-resort, but this does not deal with removing graffiti or spotting it in the first place which should be done by the community.</div><div><br></div><div>I believe that monitoring of graffiti (which this is) should be dealt with by the community. I believe that we need better tools to do this. Let's learn from the many Wikipedia 'counter-vandalism' tools which are available for use.[1]</div><div><br></div><div>I don't believe that anyone needs permission to develop, deploy or use such OSM counter-vandalism tools and would encourage people to do so. I would of course ask developers and users to follow the guidelines for bots.[2]</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>[1] <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_counter-vandalism_tools">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_counter-vandalism_tools</a></div><div>[2]<a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits/Code_of_Conduct">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits/Code_of_Conduct</a></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Peter</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><blockquote type="cite"> <br><br>-- <br>Bjarki Sigursveinsson<br><a href="mailto:bjarki@gmail.com">bjarki@gmail.com</a><br>+354 8215644<br>Múlalandi 12 (403)<br>400 Ísafjörður, Iceland<br> _______________________________________________<br>talk mailing list<br><a href="mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org">talk@openstreetmap.org</a><br>http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk<br></blockquote></div><br></body></html>