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<p class=MsoNormal><font color=navy face=Arial size=2><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The ‘definitive statement’ is
the only thing from the local authority that we can really use, but that is
surprisingly detailed. Here’s an example of a path modification in
Cambridgeshire<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font color=navy face=Arial size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>“</span></font><font color=black face=FranklinGothicITCbyBT-Book size=1><span style='font-size:6.5pt;
font-family:FranklinGothicITCbyBT-Book;color:windowtext'>The above Order made
on 30 May 2006, if confirmed as made, will modify the<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font color=black face=FranklinGothicITCbyBT-Book size=1><span style='font-size:6.5pt;font-family:FranklinGothicITCbyBT-Book;
color:windowtext'>Definitive Map and Statement for the area by adding to them
two public footpaths.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font color=black face=FranklinGothicITCbyBT-Book size=1><span style='font-size:6.5pt;font-family:FranklinGothicITCbyBT-Book;
color:windowtext'>The first (No. 26) starts on the southern side of <st1:Street w:st="on"><st1:address w:st="on">Stetchworth Road</st1:address></st1:Street>,
passes through<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font color=black face=FranklinGothicITCbyBT-Book size=1><span style='font-size:6.5pt;font-family:FranklinGothicITCbyBT-Book;
color:windowtext'>a field gate at Ordnance Survey Grid Reference TL6340 5783
(point A) and runs as<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font color=black face=FranklinGothicITCbyBT-Book size=1><span style='font-size:6.5pt;font-family:FranklinGothicITCbyBT-Book;
color:windowtext'>a grassed path in a southerly direction on the eastern side
of a mature hedge for<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font color=black face=FranklinGothicITCbyBT-Book size=1><span style='font-size:6.5pt;font-family:FranklinGothicITCbyBT-Book;
color:windowtext'>approximately 283m to OS GR TL6344 5755 (point B), then turns
to run in a<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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color:windowtext'>westerly direction for approximately 220m as a grassed path
on the southern side<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font color=black face=FranklinGothicITCbyBT-Book size=1><span style='font-size:6.5pt;font-family:FranklinGothicITCbyBT-Book;
color:windowtext'>of a ditch and hedge to join Public Footpath No.6, Dullingham
through a field gate<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font color=black face=FranklinGothicITCbyBT-Book size=1><span style='font-size:6.5pt;font-family:FranklinGothicITCbyBT-Book;
color:windowtext'>at OS GR TL6323 5752 (point C). The width is 2m from A-B and
1m from B-C.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font color=black face=FranklinGothicITCbyBT-Book size=1><span style='font-size:6.5pt;font-family:FranklinGothicITCbyBT-Book;
color:windowtext'>The second (No. 27) starts at a point on Public Footpath
No.26 Dullingham at OS<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font color=black face=FranklinGothicITCbyBT-Book size=1><span style='font-size:6.5pt;font-family:FranklinGothicITCbyBT-Book;
color:windowtext'>GR TL6344 5755 (point B), and runs through a field gate,
continuing as a grass<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font color=black face=FranklinGothicITCbyBT-Book size=1><span style='font-size:6.5pt;font-family:FranklinGothicITCbyBT-Book;
color:windowtext'>path in an easterly, southerly and then easterly direction
for approximately 320m<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font color=black face=FranklinGothicITCbyBT-Book size=1><span style='font-size:6.5pt;font-family:FranklinGothicITCbyBT-Book;
color:windowtext'>around the western and southern edges of the properties at
Dullingham Ley to join<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Road at OS GR TL6370 5749 (point D). The width is 1m.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font color=black face=Tahoma size=2><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font color=black face=Tahoma size=2><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext'> talk-bounces@openstreetmap.org
[mailto:talk-bounces@openstreetmap.org] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 25 September 2009 16:16<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'Dave F.'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> 'OSM Talk'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [OSM-talk] Breach of
Copyright?</span></font><font color=black><span lang=EN-US style='color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font color=navy face=Arial size=2><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>It does seem that what is needed here is
not the definitive map but rather the survey data the two surveyors gathered.
As others have said if that data has been overlain onto an OS map there is no
way of knowing what is derived and what is not. Not unless the bod from the
council is prepared to stick their neck out and confirm otherwise. As a result
the OS would take issue because their data forms part of the definitive map.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font color=black face=Tahoma size=2><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font color=black face=Tahoma size=2><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext'> talk-bounces@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-bounces@openstreetmap.org]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Dave F.<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 25 September 2009 3:16 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> OSM Talk<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [OSM-talk] Breach of
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<p class=MsoNormal><font color=black face="Times New Roman" size=3><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Tom Hughes wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font color=black face="Times New Roman" size=3><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>On 25/09/09 14:30, Dave
F. wrote: <br>
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<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font color=black face="Times New Roman" size=3><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>The map he sent is titled as a Definitive Map. It has
an OS underlay, <br>
but the information laid on top is compiled from Council gathered info. <br>
eg GPS survey equipment from an independent company employed to produce <br>
the definitive maps. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Do you know for absolute certainty that every single detail was gathered from
first principles like that? If it was then it is a very unusual bit of local
council mapping as they are not generally that scrupulously careful... <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font color=black face="Times New Roman" size=3><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Well... not <i><span style='font-style:italic'>every </span></i>detail, no, but there was a report
in the local newspaper:<br>
"Two surveyors will be walking virtually every one of the 560 miles of
footpath in the area."<br>
And also in the Council produced pamphlet where two people were shown holding
their very nice big yellow GPS units.<br>
<br>
Isn't every council having to do the same to produce their Definitive Maps?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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The reason of course is that they have a license to do what they like with OS
data so it largely doesn't matter to them whether they derive things from it
(well at least until they try and overlay that data on a google map and get
nastygrams from the OS). <br>
<br>
Tom <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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