On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 1:21 AM, Matt Amos <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:zerebubuth@gmail.com">zerebubuth@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class="im">On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 6:13 AM, Anthony <<a href="mailto:osm@inbox.org">osm@inbox.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 12:47 AM, Matt Amos <<a href="mailto:zerebubuth@gmail.com">zerebubuth@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> CC BY-SA imposes requirements *using* copyright law.<br>
><br>
> No it doesn't. Copyright law imposes requirements. CC-BY-SA provides a<br>
> waiver to some of those requirements.<br>
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</div>a conditional waiver - the conditions of which aren't imposed by copyright law.<br></blockquote><div><br>Correct.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
>> indeed. this is kind of the point: the US and some other jurisdictions<br><div class="im">
>> don't yet have a database rights law, so to enforce similar<br>
>> restrictions to CC BY-SA it's necessary to use some other method.<br>
><br>
> Okay, well, that's my point. I don't want to have those restrictions<br>
> imposed.<br>
</div><br>they're intended to be imposed.</blockquote><div><br>You may intend them to be imposed. I don't.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
CC BY-SA doesn't work,</blockquote><div><br>In my opinion it does work.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">but the intention of the licensing is clear. did you look at the CC BY-SA<br>
license and say, "hey, these guys want me to share-alike, but i'm in a<br>
jurisdiction where that's unenforceable, so i'll just take the data,<br>
not attribute and give nothing back"?<br></blockquote><div><br>I looked at the license and I said "Why are they bothering with this crap? It's not like this stuff is copyrightable in the first place. Well, I guess that this stuff is protected by some laws in some jurisdictions, so CC-BY-SA is useful for waiving those rights in those jurisdictions. For me, in a state with sane laws, I don't have to worry about it. What the heck, sure, I'll license my data under CC-BY-SA. Can't hurt."<br>
<br>I'll attribute, maybe, if it's not too hard. I'll "give back", usually, because it's easier than merging. But I know I don't have to do these things.<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
> I live in the United States. I can do whatever the heck I want with the OSM<br><div class="im">
> database. Now you want me to agree to a contract limiting those rights. So<br>
> I'll ask again: What's in it for me?<br>
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</div><br>nothing directly. but maybe you'd like to respect the intentions of<br>
those other contributors who agreed to a license that they thought<br>
would ensure that you can't do whatever the heck you want without<br>
attributing and sharing-alike?<br></blockquote><div><br>Most likely I will. But that doesn't mean I'm going to contractually bind myself to doing so. Especially if you're not going to pay for me to have a lawyer read over that contract. <br>
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