On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Patrick Kilian <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:osm@petschge.de">osm@petschge.de</a>></span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Hi all,<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> And, thinking about it a bit, I guess the proper rule is that (10,<br>
> 10) -> (30, 30) passes through (20, 20), since it's completely<br>
> unrealistic to assume that the basic renderers will do otherwise.<br>
</div>And this is where you are wrong. On zoomlevel 0 (one tile for the whole<br>
earth) (10,10) ends up on (135.11, 135.15) and (30,30) ends up on<br>
(149.33, 150.38).<br></blockquote><div><br>Thanks for this. I'll have to look into it further.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class="im">> And what that also means is that a straight line on earth which is<br>
> more than a certain length is not properly represented by a way with<br>
> two points.<br>
</div>THAT depends on your definition of "straight line".<br></blockquote><div><br>I suppose, but it'd have to be a pretty contrived definition of "straight line" to be equivalent to Spherical Mercator, would it not?<br>
<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class="im">> One thing I can't quite get my mind wrapped around is whether or not<br>
> a geodesic is what we'd call a straight line on the earth. If we put<br>
> a few million (?) rulers end-to-end as best we could, would that<br>
> form a geodesic, and if not, what would it form? I'm fairly certain<br>
> it wouldn't pass (10, 10) -> (30, 30) through (20, 20), since 20<br>
> degrees of longitude does not (generally) equal 20 degrees of<br>
> latitude in length. But I'm not sure if it'd be a geodesic or not.<br>
> I'd love for someone to answer that question and provide a link or<br>
> source to back up their answer.<br>
</div>Well. There isn't one single definition of "straight line" here.</blockquote><div><br>Right. My definition, for the purpose of the mind experiment, was the thing I'd get if I placed a bunch of rulers end to end as best as I could.<br>
<br>The answer might be "what you end up with depends on which errors you make when trying [and failing] at placing the rulers end to end". I don't know.<br><br>Another mind experiment would be to question what I would get if I placed a bunch of rulers end to end and connected them with hinges so that they could bend vertically but not horizontally. I think that's what's meant by "straight" when we call a road "straight". May or may not be equivalent to "the shortest distance between two points using a path which lies on the surface of the earth". If I had to guess (and it'd be a fairly random guess relying solely on what I remember from when I held a string up to a globe), I'd say the two lines wouldn't coincide.<br>
<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">So don't stop assuming that is a<br>
simple topic, everybody was just a lazy bum or that you know it all (tm).<br></blockquote><div><br>Never assumed any of that. Just the opposite, in fact. It's not a simple topic, and I don't know it all - that's exactly why I'm posting on this list.<br>
<br>And not everyone is a lazy bum.<br></div></div>