On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Frederik Ramm <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:frederik@remote.org">frederik@remote.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Anthony wrote:<br>
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But I think you're missing the fact that sites which try to restrict people from copying their databases pretty much universally do not provide database dumps. <br>
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I don't think that matters at all. Whether or not a database dump is provided universally, or by accident, or not at all, does not make a difference regarding rights to the data(base). It is just an implementation detail.<br>
</blockquote><div><br>It doesn't make a difference regarding rights to the data(base), but it does make a big difference to the de facto ability to enforce restrictions on the data(base). This is especially true when copyright rights are explicitly waived. Database rights are not very strong, and they are not universal, which is *why* "sites which try to restrict people from copying their databases pretty much universally do not provide database dumps". And database rights are not even clearly applicable to the OSMF:<br>
<br><quote source="<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Database_Directive" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Database_Directive</a>">While copyright protects the creativity of an author, database rights
specifically protect the "qualitatively and/or quantitatively [a]
substantial investment in either the obtaining, verification or
presentation of the contents"</quote><br><br>OSMF did not obtain or verify the data in the OSM database. I suppose you could say they present it, but the presentation part isn't the part the they want to restrict anyway.<br>
<br>I still don't see how setting up a bunch of servers and telling people to make maps gives you a database right, but I have to admit I'm not an expert in database rights, since they don't apply to me here in Florida.<br>
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