<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 7:07 PM, Apollinaris Schoell <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:aschoell@gmail.com">aschoell@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
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On 17 Jul 2010, at 2:05 , Heiko Jacobs wrote:<br>
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> I cannot accept a process with loss of data.<br>
> If there is a loss of data I will leave OSM.<br>
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</div>there is no loss of data! It has always been said that the old data will remain available under the old license.<br>
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> The only possibility to avoid loss of data (if process proposed isn't<br>
> changed because of this discussions, I'm still hoping for this ...)<br>
> is to (ab)use the licence change question as a vote, hoping that<br>
> reaching the critical mass will fail. Using this vote it might be easyer<br>
> because they want a really high of percentage of user accepting new licence.<br>
> If my vote failed and licence is changing with loss of data,<br>
> I leave the project including my data, because of combination of<br>
</div>> vote and licence change of my data …<br>
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strategic voting is really wrong and stupid. playing this game by many will put the project on more risk for nothing. If you think Odbl is the better license vote for it or PD as a third choice.<br>
If you don't like the process of how data is converted what is considered minor edits and can still be relicensed without loss … then better raise your voice there.<br>
absolutely agree we need to work on a smooth process to minimize loss. There is no decision on this process there is no plan there are just many ideas. So let's make this switch or abandon it as fast as possible.<br>
No decision is the worst for OSM. personally I don't mind which of the 2 license we use but we need a clear statement where we go. this took already too long and holds back imports from non PD sources. Puts all consumers of OSM data at risk to have to back out at some time or go a very painful way to mix data from old planet with new Odbl for some time.<br>
<div class="im"><br></div></blockquote><div>Indeed, we've been suffering from this license-twiddling induced stasis for far too long now. That's why I've proposed that the LWG/OSMF achieve a clear and undeniable mandate by September 1st or just drop the whole thing. We can't afford to let this cancer continue eating away at the project any longer.<br>
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> If it is divided in two questions, the chance of avoiding licence change<br>
> and lost of date will sink, because only 2/3 or similar is needed(?),<br>
> the probability that I leave theproject arises, but my data will rest<br>
</div>> inside OSM …<br>
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yes, the second question has never been asked, so why do you expect an answer. and again data is not lost. I am sure the OSMF has the same wish as you and I and will come up with a reasonable plan when the first is answered positively.<br>
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