Would specifying that the new license must be not just open/free but specifically an SA-like license in contributor agreement solve this particular issue? ODBL looks like SA in spirit. Further changing of licenses could be a separate discussion, when/if there's a new need.<br>
<br>Michael.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 9:05 PM, Ben Last <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ben.last@nearmap.com">ben.last@nearmap.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class="im">On 19 July 2010 10:18, John Smith <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:deltafoxtrot256@gmail.com" target="_blank">deltafoxtrot256@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im">
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<div>On 19 July 2010 09:04, Richard Weait <<a href="mailto:richard@weait.com" target="_blank">richard@weait.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> I don't recall seeing the nice folks from NearMap posting on this<br>
> thread. I do recall an assertion from another poster that NearMap is<br>
> firm on the map data being Share-Alike, as is will be under ODbL. But<br>
> no quotations attributed to NearMap, nor posts from them here. I<br>
> think it does a disservice to NearMap to presume that anybody other<br>
> than their staff speak for them.<br>
</div>I'll emailed them privately and asked them just like anyone else can,<br>
I didn't ask to republish their email but even if you don't believe me<br>
their current terms spell out their current position, that is a share<br>
alike license like CC-by-SA</blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>As John has, quite correctly, been polite enough not to share Stuart Nixon's email reply with the list, here it is below (release approved by Stuart):</div>
<div><br></div><div>"<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse;">NearMap is keen to continue to support OSM with our PhotoMaps (noting</span></div>
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse;">that in the future we will be expanding to Europe and other areas).<br><br>As our PhotoMaps are central to our business, we can only offer them<br>
under a CC-BY-SA (or similar) license, and the license must preserve<br>this (e.g. not take away these rights at a later date). It is<br>critical to us that the license is Share Alike, so it must be CC-BY-SA<br>style, not CC-BY style."</span></div>
<div class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse;"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse;">In a separate email (to Liz Dodd, cc John), Stuart added:</span></div>
<br clear="all">"<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse;">We are watching what is going on with some concern. I'm not sure what<br>
we will do if OSM splinters; as you may know there are already other<br>groups working on street maps, and we don't support them as we would<br>rather work with a single open community.<br><br>Perhaps you could contact Yahoo to see what their view is on where OSM<br>
is going; I would guess they would have similar requirements to<br>ourselves. If OSM became aware of the issues a non-CC-BY-SA style<br>license, or one that can change in the future, causes for commercial<br>groups trying to support OSM, then perhaps they can tune the process<br>
to continue to encourage commercial support.<br><br>It is worth noting that in the longer term NearMap plans to cover much<br>more of the world's population, and we do hope we can continue to work<br>with OSM."</span><div>
<font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="border-collapse: collapse;"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="border-collapse: collapse;">It's probably also worth quoting from our Copyright and Credits page (<a href="http://www.nearmap.com/legal/copyright" target="_blank">http://www.nearmap.com/legal/copyright</a>), which sets out our point of view:</span></font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="border-collapse: collapse;"><br></span></font></div><div>
<font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="border-collapse: collapse;">"<span style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(0, 52, 101); line-height: 21px;"><span style="color: rgb(0, 70, 135); font-size: small; font-style: italic; font-weight: bold;">Copyrights and credits</span><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 1em; text-align: justify;">
<span style="font-size: small;">We hope you enjoy using our website and our PhotoMaps. We’ve worked very hard to bring them to you.</span></p><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 1em; text-align: justify;">
<span style="font-size: small;">Use of the NearMap website and PhotoMaps is governed by our </span><a href="http://products/licence" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 1px dotted rgb(64, 116, 165); color: rgb(64, 116, 165);" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: small;">licence terms</span></a><span style="font-size: small;"> and </span><a href="http://products/community-guidelines" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 1px dotted rgb(64, 116, 165); color: rgb(64, 116, 165);" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: small;">community guidelines</span></a><span style="font-size: small;">. You may also refer to our </span><a href="http://legal/terms-of-use" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 1px dotted rgb(64, 116, 165); color: rgb(64, 116, 165);" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: small;">Terms of Use</span></a><span style="font-size: small;"> for other related information. From this publication date, our website and all the images and PhotoMaps are copyrighted works that belong to NearMap Pty Ltd.</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 1em; text-align: justify;"><a href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 1px dotted rgb(64, 116, 165); color: rgb(64, 116, 165);" target="_blank"><img src="" alt="CC-BY-SA" style="margin: 0px 10px 10px 0px; padding: 5px 0px 0px 15px; float: right; border-style: none; clear: both;" height="31" width="88"></a><span style="font-size: small;">We specifically encourage creation of </span><a href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 1px dotted rgb(64, 116, 165); color: rgb(64, 116, 165);" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: small;">Creative Commons Attribution Share Alike (CC-BY-SA)</span></a><span style="font-size: small;"> licensed information derived from our PhotoMap content, so that everyone can share and build a greater understanding of our planet.</span></p>
<h3 style="margin: 0.85em 0px 0.7em; padding: 0px; color: rgb(0, 70, 135);"><span style="font-size: small;">Credit where it is due!</span></h3>
<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 20px; text-align: justify; border-bottom: 1px dotted rgb(191, 209, 225);">
<span style="font-size: small;">In creating this website, we are very grateful for the additional information from the following sources, which is provided subject to their respective copyrights and licences.</span></p>
<h3 style="margin: 0.85em 0px 0.7em; padding: 0px; color: rgb(0, 70, 135);"><span style="font-size: small;">OpenStreetMap</span></h3>
<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 1em; text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: small;">We support the sharing of information and knowledge.</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 1em; text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: small;">“</span><a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/" title="go to Open Street Map web site" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 1px dotted rgb(64, 116, 165); color: rgb(64, 116, 165);" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: small;">OpenStreetMap</span></a><span style="font-size: small;"> is an editable map of the whole world. It is made by people like you. </span><a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/" title="go to Open Street Map web site" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 1px dotted rgb(64, 116, 165); color: rgb(64, 116, 165);" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: small;">OpenStreetMap</span></a><span style="font-size: small;"> allows you to view, edit and use geographical data in a collaborative way from anywhere on Earth.</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 1em; text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: small;">OpenStreetMap creates and provides free geographic data such as street maps to anyone who wants them. The project was started because most maps you think of as free actually have legal or technical restrictions on their use, holding back people from using them in creative, productive, or unexpected ways.”</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 1em; text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: small;">— Source: </span><a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/" title="go to Open Street Map web site" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 1px dotted rgb(64, 116, 165); color: rgb(64, 116, 165);" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: small;">http://www.openstreetmap.org</span></a></p>
<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 20px; text-align: justify; border-bottom: 1px dotted rgb(191, 209, 225);">
<span style="font-size: small;">Visit </span><a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/" title="go to Open Street Map web site" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 1px dotted rgb(64, 116, 165); color: rgb(64, 116, 165);" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: small;">OpenStreetMap</span></a><span style="font-size: small;"> to take part in the collaboration or </span><a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki" title="visit the OSM wiki - opens in separate window" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 1px dotted rgb(64, 116, 165); color: rgb(64, 116, 165);" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: small;">read more about OSM, their disclaimers and applicable terms of use.</span></a><span style="font-size: small;">"</span></p>
</span></span></font><div>You can also take it as read that many of us here at NearMap are enthusiastic mappers and OSM contributors. We're also working hard on ways to allow more people to more easily contribute data to OSM.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Cheers</div><div>Ben</div><div><br>-- <br>Ben Last<br>Development Manager (HyperWeb)<br>NearMap Pty Ltd<br><br>
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