On 19 July 2010 10:18, John Smith <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:deltafoxtrot256@gmail.com">deltafoxtrot256@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div class="im">On 19 July 2010 09:04, Richard Weait <<a href="mailto:richard@weait.com">richard@weait.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> I don't recall seeing the nice folks from NearMap posting on this<br>
> thread. I do recall an assertion from another poster that NearMap is<br>
> firm on the map data being Share-Alike, as is will be under ODbL. But<br>
> no quotations attributed to NearMap, nor posts from them here. I<br>
> think it does a disservice to NearMap to presume that anybody other<br>
> than their staff speak for them.<br>
</div>I'll emailed them privately and asked them just like anyone else can,<br>
I didn't ask to republish their email but even if you don't believe me<br>
their current terms spell out their current position, that is a share<br>
alike license like CC-by-SA</blockquote><div><br></div><div>As John has, quite correctly, been polite enough not to share Stuart Nixon's email reply with the list, here it is below (release approved by Stuart):</div>
<div><br></div><div>"<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse; ">NearMap is keen to continue to support OSM with our PhotoMaps (noting</span></div>
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse; ">that in the future we will be expanding to Europe and other areas).<br><br>As our PhotoMaps are central to our business, we can only offer them<br>
under a CC-BY-SA (or similar) license, and the license must preserve<br>this (e.g. not take away these rights at a later date). It is<br>critical to us that the license is Share Alike, so it must be CC-BY-SA<br>style, not CC-BY style."</span></div>
<div class="gmail_quote"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse; "><br></span></div><div class="gmail_quote"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse; ">In a separate email (to Liz Dodd, cc John), Stuart added:</span></div>
<br clear="all">"<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse; ">We are watching what is going on with some concern. I'm not sure what<br>
we will do if OSM splinters; as you may know there are already other<br>groups working on street maps, and we don't support them as we would<br>rather work with a single open community.<br><br>Perhaps you could contact Yahoo to see what their view is on where OSM<br>
is going; I would guess they would have similar requirements to<br>ourselves. If OSM became aware of the issues a non-CC-BY-SA style<br>license, or one that can change in the future, causes for commercial<br>groups trying to support OSM, then perhaps they can tune the process<br>
to continue to encourage commercial support.<br><br>It is worth noting that in the longer term NearMap plans to cover much<br>more of the world's population, and we do hope we can continue to work<br>with OSM."</span><div>
<font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;">It's probably also worth quoting from our Copyright and Credits page (<a href="http://www.nearmap.com/legal/copyright">http://www.nearmap.com/legal/copyright</a>), which sets out our point of view:</span></font></div>
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<font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;">"<span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(0, 52, 101); line-height: 21px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 70, 135); font-size: small; font-style: italic; font-weight: bold; ">Copyrights and credits</span><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 1em; padding-left: 0px; position: relative; text-align: justify; ">
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">Use of the NearMap website and PhotoMaps is governed by our </span><a href="/products/licence" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-bottom-style: dotted; border-bottom-color: rgb(64, 116, 165); color: rgb(64, 116, 165); "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">licence terms</span></a><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"> and </span><a href="/products/community-guidelines" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-bottom-style: dotted; border-bottom-color: rgb(64, 116, 165); color: rgb(64, 116, 165); "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">community guidelines</span></a><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">. You may also refer to our </span><a href="/legal/terms-of-use" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-bottom-style: dotted; border-bottom-color: rgb(64, 116, 165); color: rgb(64, 116, 165); "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">Terms of Use</span></a><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"> for other related information. From this publication date, our website and all the images and PhotoMaps are copyrighted works that belong to NearMap Pty Ltd.</span></p>
<p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 1em; padding-left: 0px; position: relative; text-align: justify; "><a href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-bottom-style: dotted; border-bottom-color: rgb(64, 116, 165); color: rgb(64, 116, 165); "><img src="../img/cc-by-sa-88x31.png" alt="CC-BY-SA" width="88" height="31" class="rightalign gapleft noborder" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 5px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 15px; float: right; border-top-style: none; border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; clear: both; "></a><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">We specifically encourage creation of </span><a href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-bottom-style: dotted; border-bottom-color: rgb(64, 116, 165); color: rgb(64, 116, 165); "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">Creative Commons Attribution Share Alike (CC-BY-SA)</span></a><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"> licensed information derived from our PhotoMap content, so that everyone can share and build a greater understanding of our planet.</span></p>
<h3 style="margin-top: 0.85em; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.7em; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; color: rgb(0, 70, 135); "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">Credit where it is due!</span></h3>
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">In creating this website, we are very grateful for the additional information from the following sources, which is provided subject to their respective copyrights and licences.</span></p>
<h3 style="margin-top: 0.85em; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.7em; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; color: rgb(0, 70, 135); "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">OpenStreetMap</span></h3>
<p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 1em; padding-left: 0px; position: relative; text-align: justify; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">We support the sharing of information and knowledge.</span></p>
<p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 1em; padding-left: 0px; position: relative; text-align: justify; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">“</span><a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/" title="go to Open Street Map web site" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-bottom-style: dotted; border-bottom-color: rgb(64, 116, 165); color: rgb(64, 116, 165); "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">OpenStreetMap</span></a><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"> is an editable map of the whole world. It is made by people like you. </span><a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/" title="go to Open Street Map web site" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-bottom-style: dotted; border-bottom-color: rgb(64, 116, 165); color: rgb(64, 116, 165); "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">OpenStreetMap</span></a><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"> allows you to view, edit and use geographical data in a collaborative way from anywhere on Earth.</span></p>
<p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 1em; padding-left: 0px; position: relative; text-align: justify; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">OpenStreetMap creates and provides free geographic data such as street maps to anyone who wants them. The project was started because most maps you think of as free actually have legal or technical restrictions on their use, holding back people from using them in creative, productive, or unexpected ways.”</span></p>
<p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 1em; padding-left: 0px; position: relative; text-align: justify; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">— Source: </span><a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/" title="go to Open Street Map web site" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-bottom-style: dotted; border-bottom-color: rgb(64, 116, 165); color: rgb(64, 116, 165); "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">http://www.openstreetmap.org</span></a></p>
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">Visit </span><a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/" title="go to Open Street Map web site" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-bottom-style: dotted; border-bottom-color: rgb(64, 116, 165); color: rgb(64, 116, 165); "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">OpenStreetMap</span></a><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"> to take part in the collaboration or </span><a target="_blank" href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki" title="visit the OSM wiki - opens in separate window" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-bottom-style: dotted; border-bottom-color: rgb(64, 116, 165); color: rgb(64, 116, 165); "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">read more about OSM, their disclaimers and applicable terms of use.</span></a><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">"</span></p>
</span></span></font><div>You can also take it as read that many of us here at NearMap are enthusiastic mappers and OSM contributors. We're also working hard on ways to allow more people to more easily contribute data to OSM.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Cheers</div><div>Ben</div><div><br>-- <br>Ben Last<br>Development Manager (HyperWeb)<br>NearMap Pty Ltd<br><br>
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