<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 10:37 AM, David Groom <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:reviews@pacific-rim.net">reviews@pacific-rim.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">80n</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">It was not my intention to imply <font face="Times New Roman" size="3">CC-BY-SA is compatible with ODbL. I did not
really want to get into a discussion about ODbL, but to concentrate solely
on the CT's.</font></font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">My intention was simply to draw attention to the
fact that agreeing to the CT terms was not as simple as might have been
suggested by the text on the sign up page which appeared yesterday, with no
warning that there might be issue if you had used some of the more common
sources of data currently employed by OSM mappers.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font></div></div></blockquote><div><br>David, I had no doubt that you were clear about this. But I didn't want other casual readers left with the impression that they could agree to either the CTs or the ODbL if they had been contributing CC-BY-SA content.<br>
<br>As you say, the CT does not give the user any guidance or warning on this matter. Others have argued at length that the relicensing is biased towards passive acceptance, so we shouldn't go over that again, but this sloppiness will undermine the provenance of the OSM content - something we've all worked very hard to guarantee, up till now.<br>
<br>80n<br><br><br><br><br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div bgcolor="#ffffff"><div> </div><font color="#888888">
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">David</font></div>
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<a title="80n80n@gmail.com" href="mailto:80n80n@gmail.com" target="_blank">80n</a> </div>
<div style="font: 10pt arial;"><b>To:</b> <a title="reviews@pacific-rim.net" href="mailto:reviews@pacific-rim.net" target="_blank">David Groom</a> </div>
<div style="font: 10pt arial;"><b>Cc:</b> <a title="cartinus@xs4all.nl" href="mailto:cartinus@xs4all.nl" target="_blank">Cartinus</a> ; <a title="talk@openstreetmap.org" href="mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">talk@openstreetmap.org</a> </div>
<div style="font: 10pt arial;"><b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 13, 2010 9:11
AM</div>
<div style="font: 10pt arial;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSM-talk] Voluntary
re-licensing begins</div>
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</div><div><div></div><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 11:47 PM, David Groom <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:reviews@pacific-rim.net" target="_blank">reviews@pacific-rim.net</a>></span>
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<blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;" class="gmail_quote">b) Ignoring the Yahoo data, but taking any data that may
have had a PD or CC-BY-SA clause that has be used in import, since these are
general permissions given and they do not explicitly mention granting rights
to use in OSM, I cant possible agree that I have EXPLICIT permission to use
them. I have permission by virtue of they are PD or CC-BY-SA, but not
EXPLICIT permission to do so.<font color="#888888"></font><br></blockquote></div><br>David, I don't think that
CC-BY-SA is compatible with ODbL, nor with the Contributor Terms. If you
have added content that is licensed under CC-BY-SA you cannot agree to the
Contrbutor Terms. <br><br>I'm sure you know that but your statement
above suggests that CC-BY-SA is compatible with OBdL and CT. It is
not.<br><br>80n<br></div></div></blockquote>
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