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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>A fork as stipulated is
not necessarily about a group of people leaving OSM , but about <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>we (OSM) deciding to
continue in two or more future directions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>covered by different
licenses, and maybe finally decide which license fits best. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>This would require the
OSM database to <u>include a extra field for each</u> and every item indicating
the license <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>the data was provided
by its contributor. The license choice can be made in the users profile.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>For most of OSM there is
no difference. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><u><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>The license is only
relevant once data is extracted to external parties</span></u><span lang=EN-US
style='color:black'>.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>External parties will therefore
always know under what license any node and any way of the<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>database had been
granted to them.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>The map server and most
applications at would remain as they are.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>We may however create a
second and or more maps showing only the data from specific licenses<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>and enabling OSM-ers to
evaluate the consequences of their choices.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>I think this is the
only way to solve this everlasting and destructive license discussion.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>It requires however,
some flexibility of mind, and the trust that OSM will not<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>abuse the choice made
by its contributors. As the database and the license field will<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>be visible to all of
us, I trust that will be not a major problem.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>Gert Gremmen<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>-----------------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'><img width=150 height=50 id="Afbeelding_x0020_1"
src="cid:image001.gif@01CB4362.1F49FE30" alt=Osm><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>Openstreetmap.nl (alias: cetest)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Webdings;color:green'>P</span><b><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:green'> Before printing, think about the environment.</span></b><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Van:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
talk-bounces@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-bounces@openstreetmap.org] <b>Namens
</b>80n<br>
<b>Verzonden:</b> Monday, August 23, 2010 5:17 PM<br>
<b>Aan:</b> mk@koppenhoefer.com<br>
<b>CC:</b> talk@openstreetmap.org<br>
<b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [OSM-talk] Let's prepare to Fork OSM to a CCBYSA
2.0continuation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 3:21 PM, M<span style='font-family:
"Cambria Math","serif"'>∡</span>rtin Koppenhoefer <<a
href="mailto:dieterdreist@gmail.com">dieterdreist@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>2010/8/23 Michael Kugelmann <<a
href="mailto:MichaelK_OSM@gmx.de">MichaelK_OSM@gmx.de</a>>:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>> BTW: @Felix Hartmann<br>
> using words like<br>
>><br>
>> so fuck off.<br>
><br>
> shows that you don't have arguments. So step back - defamation is alsways
a<br>
> sign of weakness. Learn a good conduct before you continues with the<br>
> discussion.<br>
<br>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>to be fair: he didn't write
(others) should f**k off, what he meant<br>
was "clearly state this somewhere and tell everyone else to fuck
off".<br>
Thus I agree that this might not be adequate language, you shouldn't<br>
critisize him for that, probably he wasn't aware because English is<br>
not his primary language.<br>
<br>
On the argument I agree though: make your own mailing lists for your<br>
fork. It's probably OK to announce it here (with an URL where to go,<br>
which was actually missing in your announcement), but further<br>
discussions should then be brought to the place of your fork, not<br>
inside the resources of OSM.<br>
<br>
I also agree it would be absurd to have OSM handle over the account<br>
data of its contributors (and is against almost any privacy law at<br>
least in Europe). There is also no logics in that: people who want to<br>
can simply create a new account with their old credentials on the fork<br>
site (I'm not planning to join the fork, but if I was I surely<br>
wouldn't use the same pw I used for OSM).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>There is absolutely no need for
OSM to relinquish any private account data. No fork will ever need that
data and I doubt that any fork would even bother asking OSM for it.<o:p></o:p></p>
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