Only a question:<div>Node A_1 is created as CC-BY-SA. Node A_2 (same as A_1) is created as ODbL. What a mess whould happen? When I'm editing, I'm editing A_1? Or maybe A_2?</div><div><br></div><div>Or if:</div><div>
Node A_1 exists under CC-BY-SA. Node A_2 (same as A_1) is created under PD. The CC map will have both nodes.</div><div><br></div><div>Am I wrong or it would be a giant mess? I like the idea (or, at least, the basic idea) but I think the implementation would create giant messes.<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 7:58 AM, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:g.gremmen@cetest.nl">g.gremmen@cetest.nl</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">A fork as stipulated is
not necessarily about a group of people leaving OSM , but about </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">we (OSM) deciding to
continue in two or more future directions</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">covered by different
licenses, and maybe finally decide which license fits best. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">This would require the
OSM database to <u>include a extra field for each</u> and every item indicating
the license </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">the data was provided
by its contributor. The license choice can be made in the users profile.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">For most of OSM there is
no difference. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">The license is only
relevant once data is extracted to external parties</span></u><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">External parties will therefore
always know under what license any node and any way of the</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">database had been
granted to them.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">The map server and most
applications at would remain as they are.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">We may however create a
second and or more maps showing only the data from specific licenses</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">and enabling OSM-ers to
evaluate the consequences of their choices.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">I think this is the
only way to solve this everlasting and destructive license discussion.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">It requires however,
some flexibility of mind, and the trust that OSM will not</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">abuse the choice made
by its contributors. As the database and the license field will</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">be visible to all of
us, I trust that will be not a major problem.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Gert Gremmen</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">-----------------------------------------------------</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><img width="150" height="50" src="cid:image001.gif@01CB4362.1F49FE30" alt="Osm"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Openstreetmap.nl (alias: cetest)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Webdings;color:green">P</span><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;color:green"> Before printing, think about the environment.</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;color:black"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Van:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt">
<a href="mailto:talk-bounces@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">talk-bounces@openstreetmap.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:talk-bounces@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">talk-bounces@openstreetmap.org</a>] <b>Namens
</b>80n<br>
<b>Verzonden:</b> Monday, August 23, 2010 5:17 PM<br>
<b>Aan:</b> <a href="mailto:mk@koppenhoefer.com" target="_blank">mk@koppenhoefer.com</a><br>
<b>CC:</b> <a href="mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">talk@openstreetmap.org</a><br>
<b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [OSM-talk] Let's prepare to Fork OSM to a CCBYSA
2.0continuation</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 3:21 PM, M<span style="font-family:"Cambria Math","serif"">∡</span>rtin Koppenhoefer <<a href="mailto:dieterdreist@gmail.com" target="_blank">dieterdreist@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">2010/8/23 Michael Kugelmann <<a href="mailto:MichaelK_OSM@gmx.de" target="_blank">MichaelK_OSM@gmx.de</a>>:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">> BTW: @Felix Hartmann<br>
> using words like<br>
>><br>
>> so fuck off.<br>
><br>
> shows that you don't have arguments. So step back - defamation is alsways
a<br>
> sign of weakness. Learn a good conduct before you continues with the<br>
> discussion.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">to be fair: he didn't write
(others) should f**k off, what he meant<br>
was "clearly state this somewhere and tell everyone else to fuck
off".<br>
Thus I agree that this might not be adequate language, you shouldn't<br>
critisize him for that, probably he wasn't aware because English is<br>
not his primary language.<br>
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On the argument I agree though: make your own mailing lists for your<br>
fork. It's probably OK to announce it here (with an URL where to go,<br>
which was actually missing in your announcement), but further<br>
discussions should then be brought to the place of your fork, not<br>
inside the resources of OSM.<br>
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I also agree it would be absurd to have OSM handle over the account<br>
data of its contributors (and is against almost any privacy law at<br>
least in Europe). There is also no logics in that: people who want to<br>
can simply create a new account with their old credentials on the fork<br>
site (I'm not planning to join the fork, but if I was I surely<br>
wouldn't use the same pw I used for OSM).</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">There is absolutely no need for
OSM to relinquish any private account data. No fork will ever need that
data and I doubt that any fork would even bother asking OSM for it.</p>
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