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On 08/10/2010 20:32, Dmitri Lebedev wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid:op.vj9u8jtsmazwnd@rajoy-laptop" type="cite">Hi,
Dave F.,
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Hi Dmitri<br>
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<blockquote cite="mid:op.vj9u8jtsmazwnd@rajoy-laptop" type="cite">
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<blockquote type="cite">For instance the second photo' is labeled
as impassable.
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Clearly it is not. I could go down it on foot, mountain bike or
even asuitable motor vehicle despite what is said on the wiki.
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Being young and dreaming is nice, but no, you couldn't. :)</blockquote>
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Thank you for describing me as young :)<br>
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<blockquote cite="mid:op.vj9u8jtsmazwnd@rajoy-laptop" type="cite">
Basically, you'll have to carry the bike on yourself (and walk up
to the knee in mud). The avg speed is 0.5 km/h.
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The cars in the picture move at the same speed with the aid of
their winches. I tried such surfaces on MTB with and without
rucksack. Even without weight you move really slowly.
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Technically, it is just the same as shallow swamp or a taiga
forest, except there are no trees to cut to make way. ;)
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Both you & Greb think that I'm saying you shouldn't map this
way. That is *not* what I'm saying. <br>
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What I am saying, is it should be tagged with accurate *physical*
descriptions.<br>
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The wiki page describes subjective information.<br>
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Unless it's actually closed by authority don't say it's impassible.
For instance in defense of your argument that it's impassable you
say the average speed is 0.5km/h. This comment proves the it *is*
passable, just very slowly. <br>
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The reason the vehicles in the picture needs winches is because
they're *not* suited to the terrain, not that the terrain is
impassible.<br>
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A colleague of mine has a Ural truck that *could* travel this way.<br>
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<b><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.4wdonline.com/Mil/Ural/PiCs37/375D.jpg">http://www.4wdonline.com/Mil/Ural/PiCs37/375D.jpg</a></b><br>
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As I said before, please don't tag ways based on your limited
experiences, tag them on *factual* information, & leave
subjective decisions of whether they're *able* to the people
traveling that way.<br>
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Cheers<br>
Dave F.<br>
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