<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt">No Steve, you don't have to take this. Anyone trying to do something for this project shouldn't have to take abuse.<br><br>How about we stop useless flaming. Seriously, this is just self-destructive behavior.<br><br>How about if anyone in this community has something to say, they say it constructively, with respect, with understanding of what we've been through before.<br><br>I'm not saying we can't disagree, or make suggestions to each other. But stop wasting our energy with nastiness.<br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> SteveC <steve@asklater.com><br><b><span
style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Mikel Maron <mikel_maron@yahoo.com><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> Jochen Topf <jochen@remote.org>; Martijn van Exel <m@rtijn.org>; osm <talk@openstreetmap.org><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sat, April 30, 2011 11:12:31 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki<br></font><br><div>Mikel and SWG don't have to take all this, I did it so flame me Jochen.<br><br><span class="Apple-style-span" style="">Steve</span><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style=""><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style=""><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://stevecoast.com">stevecoast.com</a></span></div></div><div><br>On Apr 30, 2011, at 9:04, Mikel Maron <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:mikel_maron@yahoo.com" target="_blank"
href="mailto:mikel_maron@yahoo.com">mikel_maron@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">So tired of the bad attitude in OSM. Perhaps you're just trying to be funny Jochen, but really, this makes me want to quit trying to do anything.<br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Jochen Topf <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:jochen@remote.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:jochen@remote.org">jochen@remote.org</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Martijn van Exel <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:m@rtijn.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:m@rtijn.org">m@rtijn.org</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight:
bold;">Cc:</span></b> osm <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org">talk@openstreetmap.org</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sat, April 30, 2011 10:53:46 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the
Wiki<br></font><br>
On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 04:11:52PM +0200, Martijn van Exel wrote:<br>> On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 1:56 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:dieterdreist@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:dieterdreist@gmail.com"></a><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:dieterdreist@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:dieterdreist@gmail.com">dieterdreist@gmail.com</a><br>> > wrote:<br>> <br>> > I noticed that there is a new OSM logo in the wiki. I find it strange<br>> > that important things like changing the well established logo of the<br>> > project are beeing changed without any discussion or notice on any of<br>> > the lists, or did I miss something? Or was the site hacked?<br>> ><br>> ><br>> I'd have to concur. Firstly, a new logo is not something you roll out on its<br>> own, it's part of a new 'corporate identity' and it's not something you just<br>> implement by accepting a
pull request. Secondly, there's tons of derived<br>> products that are sitting there looking dated all of a sudden; not only<br>> national or
sub-project web sites, also printed materials. It seems very<br>> amateurish to have different logo versions sitting around in different parts<br>> of the project. All in all I believe some advance notice would have been a<br>> good idea. Mind you, I'm not even talking about a community voting process -<br>> I'm not in favor of that in this case at all.<br><br>Don't be so hard on the Strategic Working Group. After months of talks they<br>have actually done something! I think we should celebrate that! After dipping<br>their toes into many important subjects for the future of OSM they have chosen<br>the logo change as the most important strategic change and implemented it! I am<br>glad OSM is not just a bunch of nerds any more, but that we now have a<br>strategy! Yeah!<br><br>And I think having a logo that looks a bit skewed is a perfect fit for OSM. It<br>symbolizes the imperfect nature of OSM!<br><br>Jochen<br>-- <br>Jochen Topf <a
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