<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 8:37 AM, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:g.gremmen@cetest.nl">g.gremmen@cetest.nl</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div lang="NL" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">In general i know Henk as a reasonable man,</span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Thank you</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">and I know he is in politics in the Netherlands</span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Not anymore</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div lang="NL" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">so she should knew better then referencing to this <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">would-be-dictator Pierens Doodle Poll.<br><br></span></p></div></div></blockquote><div>Huh? There has been a loud outcry that "they haven't been asked". I reference to one of the polls put out by the community (not the Foundation) and I get blamed by naming it? </div>
<div>Although I was not responsible for that poll, does not mean it has not happened....</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div lang="NL" link="blue" vlink="purple">
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">Read it and you will understand why is some “democratic” countries revolutions<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">started. This Is what I call blackmail democracy.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">(the Poll does not even mention the CT) The Poll starts as follows:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#31849B">You are not a member of the OSMF but in February 2010, you will be asked to accept the new Odbl or your account will be closed and all you contributions deleted from the database (or hidden which is the same).<u></u><u></u></span></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#31849B"><u></u> <u></u></span></i></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">If one does not read carefully, one might even conclude that as<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">a result of this poll your account may be closed.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"><u></u> </span></p></div></div>
</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Again, this poll was not put by the Foundation. There was a vote amongst the OSMF membership. That was leading for further steps. The outcome of other polls we were aware of, did not give us a reason to decide different.</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div></div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div lang="NL" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><div class="im"><p class="MsoNormal">
<span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">And it makes me fully understand why TimC writes:<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">The community polls were post-hoc rationalizing, window dressing, unofficial and poorly worded. In legitimate democratic votes, the vote occurs BEFORE the decision to implement a plan takes place. It is tacitly acknowledged in that the mechanism in the CTs is different from what previously had happened. But really the past doesn't matter as much as what we do next</span></p>
</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I'm not responsible for a poll put out by a community member. So if TimSC qualifies these as "post-hoc rationalizing, window dressing, unofficial and poorly worded" is more an indication to me that TimSC opposes polls put out by community members.</div>
<div><br></div><div>The vote amongst the Foundation members (not being "the poll") had also a questionnaire asking about the preference of Foundation members to which elements a future license should comply. Both gave a clear outcome.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Henk</div></div>