<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br><div><div>Am 14.06.2011 um 15:43 schrieb andrzej zaborowski:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>Hi,<br><br>On 14 June 2011 15:29, Jonas Krückel <<a href="mailto:jonasxk@googlemail.com">jonasxk@googlemail.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Am 14.06.2011 um 14:29 schrieb davespod:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Well, it would be nice and we could certainly ask for it, but with CC-BY-SA</blockquote><blockquote type="cite">only the end product falls under the license and not the processed data in<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">between.<br></blockquote><br>Are you sure? If we manage to extract the processed data, it'll be<br>derived from either the end product or OSM or both, so it needs to be<br>CC-By-SA too and there's no way around it.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yes, that's right. What I was trying to say is, that they only need to release the end product under CC-BY-SA and don't have to _provide_ any data sets from in between.</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><br><blockquote type="cite">Once we move on to ODbL however, this will change and we will get<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">the much more interesting 'raw' data.<br></blockquote><br>Which we can't re-use in OSM however.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Maybe you should explain why not, because from my understanding this data would be in an OSM compatible license because of the share-a-like aspect of ODbL [1].</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><br>Someone on IRC mentioned that the situation would be clearer under<br>ODbL, too, but I think this is a false positive. Additionally with<br>ODbL Navigon may take the position that they made a produced work.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yes, their POI packages maybe produced work and could be proprietary, but they would still have to release the processed OSM data from in between, which as I stated above might be more interesting to us.</div><div><br></div><div>All that is only on how I understand the license and I'm not an expert on this. Also, I think it would be appropriate to continue this discussion on legal-talk.</div><div><br></div><div>-- Jonas</div></div><br><div>[1] <a href="http://www.opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/summary/">http://www.opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/summary/</a></div></body></html>