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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=NL link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>Even if that might be legally correct it’s not morally correct, as we actually CAN<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>trace that to persons. Hiding behind a formal legal description will<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>save you from persecution only. Nevertheless naming Skobbler is doing harm to people.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>No-one should have mentioned the name Skobbler in the first place.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>I consider this a serious lack of respect and Henks’s first mail is proof of naming and shaming.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Gert <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Van:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Barnett, Phillip [mailto:PHILLIP.BARNETT@ITN.CO.UK] <br><b>Verzonden:</b> Friday, August 26, 2011 11:23 AM<br><b>Aan:</b> 80n<br><b>CC:</b> talk@openstreetmap.org; Ed Avis<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Membership applications from Skobbler employees<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=c9ca7f0e-5942-49a9-84da-a6e6e68ef9f6> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=c9ca7f0e-5942-49a9-84da-a6e6e68ef9f6><span style='border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'><img width=80 height=56 id=IMG1 src="cid:image001.jpg@01CC63E4.6C859990" alt="Afbeelding verwijderd door afzender."></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=c9ca7f0e-5942-49a9-84da-a6e6e68ef9f6><b><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#006699'>PHILLIP<strong><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span></strong>BARNETT</span></b><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><br></span><b><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#006699'>SERVER MANAGER</span></b><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><br><br></span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>200 GRAY'S INN ROAD</span><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><br></span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>LONDON</span><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><br></span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>WC1X 8XZ<br>UNITED KINGDOM<br>T +44 (0)20 7430 4474<br>F <br>E PHILLIP.BARNETT@ITN.CO.UK</span><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><br></span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>WWW.ITN.CO.UK</span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:Webdings;color:#007D00'><br>P</span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#007D00'> </span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#007D00'> Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email?</span><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=c9ca7f0e-5942-49a9-84da-a6e6e68ef9f6> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='color:black'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></span></div><div id=divRpF506382><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> 80n [80n80n@gmail.com]<br><b>Sent:</b> 26 August 2011 07:25<br><b>To:</b> Barnett, Phillip<br><b>Cc:</b> Jim Brown; talk@openstreetmap.org; Ed Avis<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Membership applications from Skobbler employees</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 1:13 AM, Barnett, Phillip <<a href="mailto:PHILLIP.BARNETT@itn.co.uk" target="_blank">PHILLIP.BARNETT@itn.co.uk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><br>>The OSMF had an obligation, under the UK data protection laws, to preserve the confidentiality of >personal information. It would have been a breach of confidence to make it public at the time. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Not so. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>UK Data Protection laws exist to safeguard 'personal' data. Saying that ' there has been a large number of applications for OSMF membership by people who appear to be employees of Apple ' for instance, is perfectly in order - you are not releasing any 'personal data' UNLESS you also released, say, email addresses and names of the people, which can personally identify them, perhaps to back up your assertion.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='color:black'><br>>Saying 'a large number of applications from CloudMade' would have been effectively the same as >naming the members. You'd only need to look here><a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20090524055747/http:/cloudmade.com/team" target="_blank">http://web.archive.org/web/20090524055747/http://cloudmade.com/team</a> to have a pretty good idea >of who was a member. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Well, this is a sideshow to the main debate, but you are still not revealing personal data, merely a fact about some or all members of a group. You are clear to do this under the UK Data Protection Act. I can say '"Most of the voting population of the UK live in this country" and you can cross-refer to the UK electoral register, for names and addresses, but that doesn't mean I've released the personal details of 40 million people!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>In this instance, Cloudmade were releasing personal data. But since they're not under UK law, the fact that they released their own employees names and faces and email addresses is presumably between them, their employees, and the US government. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><br>HTH <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Phillip<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New"'>Please Note:<br><br>Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. 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