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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=NL link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><tt><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'>Ian said:<o:p></o:p></span></tt></p><p class=MsoNormal><tt><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'>>Training and skills acquisition before undertaking complex tasks is a fairly commonplace activity in our society. <o:p></o:p></span></tt></p><p class=MsoNormal><tt><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></tt></p><p class=MsoNormal><tt><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>No but the difference between Stalinism and OSM is that we do not *<b>oblige</b>*<o:p></o:p></span></tt></p><p class=MsoNormal><tt><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>people to follow a training process.<o:p></o:p></span></tt></p><p class=MsoNormal><tt><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></tt></p><p class=MsoNormal><tt><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'>>History is indeed full of these mistakes, these mistakes are the reasons we have schools, universities, drivers licences, and many other forms >of training and qualification.</span></tt><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Then you are probable also in favor of a obligatory school in politics before being allowed<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>to vote for your parliament?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>I am not sure you are aware of the principles of open data <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>and of crowd collected data, or at least do not speak accordingly.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>The power of OSM is the number thing. Many users<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>equal out the uneven data from beginners and vandals.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>But if you want to start an OSM college, I will not be the one<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>to stop you !<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Gert Gremmen<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>-----------------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><img width=150 height=50 id="Afbeelding_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.gif@01CC7384.60CDF750" alt=Osm><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Openstreetmap.nl (alias: cetest)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Webdings;color:green'>P</span><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:green'> Before printing, think about the environment.</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Van:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Ian Sergeant [mailto:isergean@hih.com.au] <br><b>Verzonden:</b> Thursday, September 15, 2011 8:07 AM<br><b>Aan:</b> ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen<br><b>CC:</b> Talk@OSM<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> RE: [OSM-talk] Barriers of Entry<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><br><tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>"Gert Gremmen" <g.gremmen@cetest.nl> wrote on 15/09/2011 03:51:11 PM:</span></tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br><br><tt>> I definitely do NOT want a *diploma* system</tt><br><tt>> with less or more "approved" users.. Noooooooo</tt><br><br><tt>> We don't want OSM to change into Brave New World,</tt><br><tt>> 1984 or distinct between users on other characteristics</tt><br><tt>> History is full of such mistakes.</tt><br></span><br><tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Training and skills acquisition before undertaking complex tasks is a fairly commonplace activity in our society. It really doesn't equate to a "Brave New World". History is indeed full of these mistakes, these mistakes are the reasons we have schools, universities, drivers licences, and many other forms of training and qualification.</span></tt> <br><br><tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Not every task can be made simple, and our society is often structured such that people expect everything they are actually allowed to do to be harmless. If you lower the barrier to entry, and make something appear simple that isn't, you aren't doing anyone any favours. I'm sure we can ask someone to demonstate their ability to do a complex task before undertaking it, without too much danger of taking a step closer to the OSM equivalent of a Stalinist regime :-) </span></tt><br><br><tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Ian.</span></tt><o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>