<html><head></head><body>A lot of good concepts are evoked here, but we should remember that osm, as a lot of open projects is a do-ocracy.<br>
Things that (not involved) people say are good to listen, but in this list this sounds more like things people don't do.<br>
By now, doing things may looks geeky, but there is a need of good geeks to attain the aims of low entry level to map or good maps, more than Osmf can or wants to provide. <br>
Any takers?<br>
Yves<br>
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Kai Krueger <kakrueger@gmail.com> a écrit :<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; word-wrap:break-word; font-family: sans-serif"><br />Toby Murray-2 wrote<br />> <br />> On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 3:39 PM, Ben Johnson <tangararama@> wrote:<br />>> You don't hear Wikipedia trumpeting "we are not an encyclopedia, we are a<br />>> database of information." No... they scream from the mountain tops "we<br />>> are<br />>> the world's encyclopedia", and absolutely relish in it.<br />>><br />>> Why can't OSM be also scream from<br />>> a nearby mountain top, "we are the world's map".... I mean, what's so<br />>> embarrassing about providing a good, comprehensive, accessible map? It's<br />>> an<br />>> accomplishment of which we should all be proud, not hide away.<br />> <br />> [...]<br />> <br />> I do think there is a non-trivial technical difference between OSM and<br />> wikipedia. The text of a given wikipedia article is 90% of the
value.<br />> It can be displayed as-is and still be useful. Making it pretty and<br />> user-friendly is relatively trivial with some CSS or whatever.<br />> <br />> Our map data is completely different. It is absolutely useless to most<br />> people without a rendering process which is much more complicated than<br />> formatting some HTML. There are color schemes, rendering choices,<br />> de-clutterification, regional cartographic conventions, etc, etc.<br />> Which is why we leave it up to other people to do this since they can<br />> make what they need out of our data.<br />> <br />One can turn that example around by 180°: Despite the fact that wikipedia's<br />raw data, a XML dump, is so much easier to turn into something usable than<br />OSM's data, they still put in the effort to present it in a human usable<br />form.<br /><br />For OSM with its "useless to most people" data, it is even more important to<br />present it in a human consumable
fashion. This conversion doesn't have to<br />all be done by "OSMF", but there needs to be a central place with easy to<br />understand access to all of the various options. Furthermore, if no external<br />third party provides an adequate and easy to integrate version of something,<br />then OSMF has to think about if it can support the creation of consumer<br />facing products, as that is imho essential for the growth of OSM data.<br /><br />What needs to be overcome is that one currently has to study the<br />organizational diagram of the OSM project with its hundreds of independent<br />third party sites, before one can figure out how to get anything useful out<br />of osm and to avoid getting an unfriendly response of that one is doing it<br />completely wrong.<br /><br />Kai<br /><br />--<br />View this message in context: <a
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