2012/9/19 Frederik Ramm <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:frederik@remote.org" target="_blank">frederik@remote.org</a>></span><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hi,<div class="im"><br>
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On 09/19/2012 12:38 AM, Christian Quest wrote:<br>
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For me a mandatory rule on which someone bases a block decision must be<br>
something decided publicly and shared with the community, and clearly<br>
published/announced... and none of these has taken place here.<br>
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Are you saying that we should have had a vote on the wiki, or what? Who would have been eligible to vote? And are you at the same time saying that changing a policy on the wiki is not "clearly published"?<div class="im">
<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>We're voting proposed tag scheme. We're discussing them on the wiki and on tagging@ and these are soft rules.</div><div><br></div><div>Are you saying the same process could not be done for requirements (hard rules) that can lead to blocks when not followed ?</div>
<div><br></div><div>So these hard rules are coming from nowhere ? There's no process to set them ?</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Yes, I'm saying that editing the wiki is not clearly publishing and ANNOUNCING a major change.</div>
<div>The wiki is enormous, partly translated (Import guidelines are only available in english and japanese and obviously the japanese translation is not sync as it has been last edited before this new requirement was added in the english version).</div>
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I didn't know about this change until I re-read the wiki page after Marc<br>
being blocked. I would not be surprised he was not aware of the now<br>
mandatory account that was optional for so long in the guidelines.<br>
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I'm pretty sure he wasn't aware of that rule. That's why we made him aware of it. Twice.<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"></div></div></blockquote></div><div><br></div><div><br></div>Yes but if we had been in the loop about deciding this new hard rules, we would have complained at that time and open a discussion BEFORE setting the rule.<div>
<br></div><div>The rule writing/setting process seems flawed to me. I've been involved in rule writing in international sport competition for 10 years. Changing a rule or setting new ones is something not to do in the shadow, but in the light.</div>
<div><div><br></div><div>Do we have even a list of these "hard rules" somewhere ? By hard rules, I mean the one that could get a contributor to be blocked or banned.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>PS: The other problem is that a lot of people are talking about french cadastre imports without knowing exactly how it works, how it is done, the work that's behind, etc. That's why I don't want to go on that part of the discussion, it is another topic that should be split from the governance one.</div>
<div><br></div>-- <br>Christian Quest - OpenStreetMap France - <a href="http://openstreetmap.fr/u/christian-quest" target="_blank">http://openstreetmap.fr/u/cquest</a><br>
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