<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:Courier New, courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><font face="Arial" size="2"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">>>>> De :</span></b> Lester Caine <lester@lsces.co.uk><br><br></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">>>>> </span></b></font>That has been a previous request :) The google translation is a little strange.<br>OK I was not aware about that<br><br><div><br><font face="Arial" size="2"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">>>>> </span></b></font>And if we can automate that process it would help you?</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: Courier New,courier,monaco,monospace,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">The add of source tag is already automatic<br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family:
Courier New,courier,monaco,monospace,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: Courier New,courier,monaco,monospace,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><font face="Arial" size="2"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">>>>> </span></b></font>I'm just repeating things that were being quoted earlier, but I would
like to have a look at the data myself to see if we are talking about
the same things. Accessing the French data is difficult for a non French
speaker :(</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: Courier New,courier,monaco,monospace,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">Ok. So by exemple to see official data goto on www.cadastre.gouv.fr</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: Courier New,courier,monaco,monospace,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">In "Commune" field type Saint Galmier</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: Courier New,courier,monaco,monospace,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">In "Departement" liste choose "42 - LOIRE"</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: Courier New,courier,monaco,monospace,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">Then click on "rechercher" button<br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family:
Courier New,courier,monaco,monospace,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">In "Ville commune" list choose "Saint Galmier 42330" ( I know this is painfull.... )</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: Courier New,courier,monaco,monospace,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">Click on "Rechercher" ( bottom right )</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: Courier New,courier,monaco,monospace,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">Click on "Vue d ensemble de la commune".</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: Courier New,courier,monaco,monospace,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">Normally you should have a pop up window that display cadastre data. You can zoom/unzoom on it using left panel to make details like river, building, streets
appear.</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: Courier New,courier,monaco,monospace,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">This is for the official data.</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: Courier New,courier,monaco,monospace,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br></div><div class="yui_3_2_0_21_1348642065180302" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: Courier New,courier,monaco,monospace,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">The corresponding processed data that you can find on <a href="http://cadastre.openstreetmap.fr/data/">http://cadastre.openstreetmap.fr/data/</a> are those data downloaded in PDF format processed by a C++ script that analyse geometrical forms and colours to extract buildings, railways, rivers and produced separated OSM files.</div><div
class="yui_3_2_0_21_1348642065180302" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: Courier New,courier,monaco,monospace,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">You have one directory per french department ( in the case of Saint Galmier this is number 42 named LOIRE ) containing all the OSM files of cities belonging to this department. In my example case the data corresponding to what you have seen on cadastre.gouv.fr are located in these files:</div><div class="yui_3_2_0_21_1348642065180302" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: Courier New,courier,monaco,monospace,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><a href="http://cadastre.openstreetmap.fr/data/042/I1222-SAINT-GALMIER-city-limit.osm">http://cadastre.openstreetmap.fr/data/042/I1222-SAINT-GALMIER-city-limit.osm</a></div><div class="yui_3_2_0_21_1348642065180302" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size:
13.3333px; font-family: Courier New,courier,monaco,monospace,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><a href="http://cadastre.openstreetmap.fr/data/042/I1222-SAINT-GALMIER-rails.osm">http://cadastre.openstreetmap.fr/data/042/I1222-SAINT-GALMIER-rails.osm</a></div><div class="yui_3_2_0_21_1348642065180302" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: Courier New,courier,monaco,monospace,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><a href="http://cadastre.openstreetmap.fr/data/042/I1222-SAINT-GALMIER-water.osm">http://cadastre.openstreetmap.fr/data/042/I1222-SAINT-GALMIER-water.osm</a></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: Courier New,courier,monaco,monospace,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><a
href="http://cadastre.openstreetmap.fr/data/042/I1222-SAINT-GALMIER.tar.bz2">http://cadastre.openstreetmap.fr/data/042/I1222-SAINT-GALMIER.tar.bz2</a></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: Courier New,courier,monaco,monospace,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: Courier New,courier,monaco,monospace,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">The french wiki cadastre page provide a big warning aout poor quality of water data and the fact that we need to perform some verifications and cleanup of all these data ( building, railways, river etc ) has the analyse is not perfect.<br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: Courier New,courier,monaco,monospace,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br></div><div
class="yui_3_2_0_21_134864206518065" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: Courier New,courier,monaco,monospace,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><font face="Arial" size="2"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">>>>> </span></b></font>I can't access the government data as an overlay? The English
translation is a little light, but I suspect this only give hard copy
output? IS the raw data available in a manor that we can access directly
in a josm or something similar?</div><div class="yui_3_2_0_21_134864206518065" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: Courier New,courier,monaco,monospace,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br></div><div class="yui_3_2_0_21_134864206518065" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: Courier New,courier,monaco,monospace,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">You can have cadastre has overlay in JOSM using french cadastre plugin.</div><div class="yui_3_2_0_21_134864206518065" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: Courier New,courier,monaco,monospace,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">If you want to perform the test on Saint Galmier you will have to install the plugin in JOSM, restart JOSM. Change the projection to "Lambert 9 zones" and choose Lambert CC zone "5", restart JOSM.<br></div><div
class="yui_3_2_0_21_134864206518065" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: Courier New,courier,monaco,monospace,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">In cadastre preferences ( just behind plugin part of preferences dialog window ) choose vector Grab Multplier "100m" thanks to the radio button.</div><div class="yui_3_2_0_21_134864206518065" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: Courier New,courier,monaco,monospace,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">Then in JOSM "Cadastre" Menu choose "Cadastre grab"</div><div class="yui_3_2_0_21_134864206518065" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: Courier New,courier,monaco,monospace,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">In the dialog box type "SAINT-GLAMIER" in Commune field. In department list choose "42 - loire". Click on OK and normally you should slowly have a
new overlay representing french cadastre data. Notice that their are coming in picture format.<br></div><div class="yui_3_2_0_21_134864206518065" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: Courier New,courier,monaco,monospace,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">I'm not sure about if this is possible to do the same with Merkaartor<br></div><div class="yui_3_2_0_21_134864206518065" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: Courier New,courier,monaco,monospace,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br></div><div class="yui_3_2_0_21_134864206518065" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: Courier New,courier,monaco,monospace,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><font face="Arial" size="2"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">>>>> </span></b></font>The cadastre.openstreetmap.fr seems to a similar problem?
I can select a
Department and then in some cases Ville, but nothing seems to happen?</div><div class="yui_3_2_0_21_134864206518065" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: Courier New,courier,monaco,monospace,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">Please refer to explainations at the beginning of my email and let me know if you are still facing issues<br></div><div class="yui_3_2_0_21_134864206518065" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: Courier New,courier,monaco,monospace,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br></div><div class="yui_3_2_0_21_134864206518065" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: Courier New,courier,monaco,monospace,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><font face="Arial" size="2"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">>>>> </span></b></font>There is obviously good data available, and all I'm
asking is some help
in viewing it. In the same manor as data is being made usable elsewhere
;)</div><div class="yui_3_2_0_21_134864206518065" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><font face="Arial" size="2"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">>>>> </span></b></font>The UK's OS data is available as 'layers' we can work with, and it
would be nice to see the French data similarly available.</div><div class="yui_3_2_0_21_134864206518065" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; font-weight: bold;"><font face="Arial" size="2"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">>>>> </span></b></font><span style="font-weight: normal;">We have to
process the raw OS data into a raw format that is correctly
geo-referenced, and that raw data is available, so I would anticipate
that the French data has had similar processing?</span></div><div class="yui_3_2_0_21_134864206518065" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; font-weight: bold;"><font face="Arial" size="2"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">>>>> </span></b><span></span></font><span style="font-weight: normal;">Is that raw data
available anywhere? Having got the raw layer(s) we NOW need to process
them into a 'staging' layer which can be used to integrate later updates
- all of which should be made available as raw layers - but the staging
layer would be the one that flags what has or has not been merged. </span><br></div><div class="yui_3_2_0_21_134864206518065" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; font-weight: bold;"><font face="Arial" size="2"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">>>>> </span></b><span></span></font><span style="font-weight: normal;">So
I'm not sure if cadastre.openstreetmap.fr is your 'raw data' layer, in
which case there should be a 'version select' or your staging layer?</span></div><div class="yui_3_2_0_21_134864206518065" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: Courier New,courier,monaco,monospace,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br></div><div class="yui_3_2_0_21_134864206518065" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: Courier New,courier,monaco,monospace,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">The georeferencing is already there for vectorised data of cadastre ( for raster cadastre data this is much more complex than the example I provide to you and we hae no automatic tools at all to 'integrate' them).</div><div class="yui_3_2_0_21_134864206518065" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: Courier New,courier,monaco,monospace,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">We have currently no historic
versionning.</div><div class="yui_3_2_0_21_134864206518065" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: Courier New,courier,monaco,monospace,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">For the other points I`m not sure to understand what you mean so I hope that the explaination on how to access to official cadastre data and processed data will make things more clear....</div><div class="yui_3_2_0_21_134864206518065" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: Courier New,courier,monaco,monospace,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br></div><div class="yui_3_2_0_21_134864206518065" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: Courier New,courier,monaco,monospace,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">Cheers</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: Courier New,courier,monaco,monospace,sans-serif;
background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">Julien<br> <blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div style="font-family: Courier New, courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"> </div> </blockquote></div> </div></body></html>