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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">The difference is that for the
satellite images we use we have a statement from the corresponding
companies that allows us to do so.<br>
Yes, that's nothing 100 Lawyers looked over, but it's a permission
we got, be it from microsoft and bing, from yahoo or from others.<br>
<br>
There is not yet anything like that from google, so that's the
difference.<br>
<br>
regards<br>
Peter<br>
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Am 06.11.2012 10:21, schrieb Janko Mihelić:<br>
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type="cite">How do proponents of copying from Streetview explain
the difference between copying from satellite images and copying
from Streetview? With satellite images you copy shapes of roads,
with Streetview you copy street names. The same thing.<br>
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Janko<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2012/11/6 Vladimir Vyskocil <span
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On 5 nov. 2012, at 23:39, Cartinus <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:cartinus@xs4all.nl">cartinus@xs4all.nl</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
> Copyright has absolutely nothing to do with this at
all. All arguments<br>
> people use in this this discussion in relation to
copyright are just a<br>
> smokescreen to try to get their way.<br>
><br>
> When viewing Google StreetView you are using a
service from Google. The<br>
> rules in relation to that, are the rules for business
transactions, not<br>
> those of copyright.<br>
><br>
> Just like Openstreetmap has rules that say you are
not allowed to scrape<br>
> tiles from our tileserver, Google has rules that say
when you are<br>
> allowed to use their services.<br>
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Yes and they say I'm not allowed to copy all or parts of the
provided material (images,...) and also that I can't make
derivative work. When I interpret what I can see in Street
View photos and write it down I'm doing neither of these !<br>
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> On 11/05/2012 11:25 PM, Vladimir Vyskocil wrote:<br>
>> Hi,<br>
>><br>
>> According to : <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derivative_work"
target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derivative_work</a><br>
>><br>
>> "In United States copyright law, a derivative
work is an expressive creation that includes major,
copyright-protected elements of an original, previously
created first work (theunderlying work)."<br>
>><br>
>> Obviously looking at google street view images
and noting some facts we can see in them like street
names,... can't be seen as derivative work.<br>
>><br>
>> And :<br>
>><br>
>> "<br>
>> When does derivative-work copyright exist?<br>
>> For copyright protection to attach to a later,
allegedly derivative work, it must display some
originality of its own. It cannot be a rote, uncreative
variation on the earlier, underlying work. The latter
work must contain sufficient new expression, over and
above that embodied in the earlier work for the latter
work to satisfy copyright law’s requirement of
originality.<br>
>> "<br>
>><br>
>> It's clear that Google's photos in street view
have no originality at all, they are just facts. Using
some information everybody can see in those images isn't
a creative process either.<br>
>><br>
>> In the light of those definitions of derivative
work, I can't understand how one might see a
infringement of google terms of use when OSM
contributors look at Google Street View photos to verify
some facts (street names, signs, ...)<br>
>><br>
>> Regards,<br>
>> Vlad.<br>
>><br>
>> Le 5 nov. 2012 à 16:42, Frederik Ramm <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:frederik@remote.org">frederik@remote.org</a>>
a écrit :<br>
>><br>
>>> Hi,<br>
>>><br>
>>> I haven't read this thread in full but it
has come to my attention that people in this thread have
argued that it would be acceptable to use Google
StreetView pictures when mapping.<br>
>>><br>
>>> It is not.<br>
>>><br>
>>> The legal situation may be debatable and
indeed differ from country to country but Google's terms
of use do not permit making derivative works of their
imagery and distributing them.<br>
>>><br>
>>> As a project, our general approach to any
situation where something was not totally clear legally
has always been to err on the side of caution. If
someone says that we cannot use this data then we won't,
even if there are people who say that it might still be
legal to do so.<br>
>>><br>
>>> So don't use Google Street View for mapping
unless you have explicit permission from Google to do
so.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Bye<br>
>>> Frederik<br>
>>><br>
>>> --<br>
>>> Frederik Ramm ## eMail <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:frederik@remote.org">frederik@remote.org</a>
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