<br clear="all">-- SEJ<br>-- twitter: @geomantic<br>-- skype: sejohnson8<br><br>"Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen." -- Einstein<br><br>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 5:38 PM, Steven Johnson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sejohnson8@gmail.com" target="_blank">sejohnson8@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Jeff,<br><br>A couple thoughts...<br><br>With respect to best practices, I presented some ideas for US mappers at this year's State of the Map on improving address tags[1]. Feel free to review my presentation and comment (here or on the Talk-US list). I still intend to put together an RFC and solicit more feedback from the community. <br>
<br>There are also pointers to more resources on the OSM wiki under Address Improvement[2]. I'd invite you to contribute to the page and note any peculiarities with addresses in your region.<br><br>Best,<br><br clear="all">
-- SEJ<br>-- twitter: @geomantic<br>-- skype: sejohnson8<br><br>"Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen." -- Einstein<br><br>[1] <a href="http://www.slideshare.net/geomantic/so-tm-121014" target="_blank">http://www.slideshare.net/geomantic/so-tm-121014</a><br>
[2] <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Address_Improvement" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Address_Improvement</a><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
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1. How to improve addressing? (Jeff Meyer)<br>
2. Re: How to improve addressing? (Martijn van Exel)<br>
3. Re: How to improve addressing? (Svavar Kjarrval)<br>
4. Re: How to improve addressing? (deng dongpo)<br>
5. Re: How to improve addressing? (Philip Barnes)<br>
6. Re: How to improve addressing? (Toby Murray)<br>
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Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 11:34:38 -0800<br>
From: Jeff Meyer <<a href="mailto:jeff@gwhat.org" target="_blank">jeff@gwhat.org</a>><br>
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At SOTM US 2012, SteveC mentioned addressing as a high priority for making<br>
OSM more usable, etc.<br>
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Does anyone have a primer on best practices for improving OSM addressing<br>
quality quickly & efficiently?<br>
<br>
For example, I like to walk around my hood, drawing houses & adding house<br>
numbers, but that strikes me as inefficient for making any significant<br>
impact (although it is strangely therapeutic) on a larger scale. Should we<br>
be marking block numbers, etc., to provide a max / min for each block?<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Jeff<br>
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--<br>
Jeff Meyer<br>
Global World History Atlas<br>
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Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 12:47:54 -0700<br>
From: Martijn van Exel <<a href="mailto:m@rtijn.org" target="_blank">m@rtijn.org</a>><br>
To: Jeff Meyer <<a href="mailto:jeff@gwhat.org" target="_blank">jeff@gwhat.org</a>><br>
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Do you have an Android device? You might like KeypadMapper:<br>
<a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/KeypadMapper" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/KeypadMapper</a><br>
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(Have still yet to try it myself! Will install it immediately)<br>
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On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 12:34 PM, Jeff Meyer <<a href="mailto:jeff@gwhat.org" target="_blank">jeff@gwhat.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> At SOTM US 2012, SteveC mentioned addressing as a high priority for making<br>
> OSM more usable, etc.<br>
><br>
> Does anyone have a primer on best practices for improving OSM addressing<br>
> quality quickly & efficiently?<br>
><br>
> For example, I like to walk around my hood, drawing houses & adding house<br>
> numbers, but that strikes me as inefficient for making any significant<br>
> impact (although it is strangely therapeutic) on a larger scale. Should we<br>
> be marking block numbers, etc., to provide a max / min for each block?<br>
><br>
> Thanks,<br>
> Jeff<br>
><br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Jeff Meyer<br>
> Global World History Atlas<br>
> <a href="http://www.gwhat.org" target="_blank">www.gwhat.org</a><br>
> <a href="mailto:jeff@gwhat.org" target="_blank">jeff@gwhat.org</a><br>
> <a href="tel:206-676-2347" value="+12066762347" target="_blank">206-676-2347</a><br>
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<a href="http://openstreetmap.us/" target="_blank">http://openstreetmap.us/</a><br>
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Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 19:58:42 +0000<br>
From: Svavar Kjarrval <<a href="mailto:svavar@kjarrval.is" target="_blank">svavar@kjarrval.is</a>><br>
To: <a href="mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">talk@openstreetmap.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] How to improve addressing?<br>
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I have good experience with OsmPad (<br>
<a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OsmPad" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OsmPad</a>). Although you can't actually<br>
draw houses in it, you can mark addresses and it's especially good if<br>
you have already drawn the houses.<br>
<br>
- Svavar Kjarrval<br>
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On 09/11/12 19:34, Jeff Meyer wrote:<br>
> At SOTM US 2012, SteveC mentioned addressing as a high priority for<br>
> making OSM more usable, etc.<br>
><br>
> Does anyone have a primer on best practices for improving OSM<br>
> addressing quality quickly & efficiently?<br>
><br>
> For example, I like to walk around my hood, drawing houses & adding<br>
> house numbers, but that strikes me as inefficient for making any<br>
> significant impact (although it is strangely therapeutic) on a larger<br>
> scale. Should we be marking block numbers, etc., to provide a max /<br>
> min for each block?<br>
><br>
> Thanks,<br>
> Jeff<br>
><br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Jeff Meyer<br>
> Global World History Atlas<br>
> <a href="http://www.gwhat.org" target="_blank">www.gwhat.org</a> <<a href="http://www.gwhat.org" target="_blank">http://www.gwhat.org</a>><br>
> <a href="mailto:jeff@gwhat.org" target="_blank">jeff@gwhat.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:jeff@gwhat.org" target="_blank">jeff@gwhat.org</a>><br>
> <a href="tel:206-676-2347" value="+12066762347" target="_blank">206-676-2347</a><br>
><br>
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Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 12:08:35 -0800<br>
From: deng dongpo <<a href="mailto:dongpo.deng@gmail.com" target="_blank">dongpo.deng@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: Jeff Meyer <<a href="mailto:jeff@gwhat.org" target="_blank">jeff@gwhat.org</a>><br>
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Hi Jeff and all<br>
I heard that the SteveC considered an address is high priority for<br>
making OSM more usable from Dan Cooke, who is a keynote in ACM<br>
GeoCrowd. <a href="http://www.geocrowd.eu/workshop_2012/" target="_blank">http://www.geocrowd.eu/workshop_2012/</a><br>
<br>
Coincidentally, Taiwan OSM community is running a map contest on how<br>
many addresses mappers make after SotM this year in Japan. This is<br>
because a T-shit received from OSM Japan after SotM. In order to send<br>
this T-shit to Taiwan mappers, we started the map contest.<br>
<br>
<a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Taiwan/2012_Competition" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Taiwan/2012_Competition</a><br>
<br>
Few people registered this contest, but many TW mappers are attracted<br>
to make address on the map. I would not say that this contest is<br>
successful. At least, we encouraged more Taiwanese mappers to give<br>
address data.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Dongpo<br>
<br>
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On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Jeff Meyer <<a href="mailto:jeff@gwhat.org" target="_blank">jeff@gwhat.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> At SOTM US 2012, SteveC mentioned addressing as a high priority for making<br>
> OSM more usable, etc.<br>
><br>
> Does anyone have a primer on best practices for improving OSM addressing<br>
> quality quickly & efficiently?<br>
><br>
> For example, I like to walk around my hood, drawing houses & adding house<br>
> numbers, but that strikes me as inefficient for making any significant<br>
> impact (although it is strangely therapeutic) on a larger scale. Should we<br>
> be marking block numbers, etc., to provide a max / min for each block?<br>
><br>
> Thanks,<br>
> Jeff<br>
><br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Jeff Meyer<br>
> Global World History Atlas<br>
> <a href="http://www.gwhat.org" target="_blank">www.gwhat.org</a><br>
> <a href="mailto:jeff@gwhat.org" target="_blank">jeff@gwhat.org</a><br>
> <a href="tel:206-676-2347" value="+12066762347" target="_blank">206-676-2347</a><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> _______________________________________________<br>
> talk mailing list<br>
> <a href="mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">talk@openstreetmap.org</a><br>
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Message: 5<br>
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 21:49:47 +0000<br>
From: Philip Barnes <<a href="mailto:phil@trigpoint.me.uk" target="_blank">phil@trigpoint.me.uk</a>><br>
To: "OSM Talk" <<a href="mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">talk@openstreetmap.org</a>><br>
Cc: OpenStreetMap Talk Mailing List <<a href="mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">talk@openstreetmap.org</a>>, OSM<br>
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Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] How to improve addressing?<br>
Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:3w79g.md8pza.1di2p32-qmf@auth.smtp.oneandone.co.uk" target="_blank">3w79g.md8pza.1di2p32-qmf@auth.smtp.oneandone.co.uk</a>><br>
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I think you mean t-shirt, made me smile anyway.<br>
<br>
Phil<br>
--<br>
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Sent from my Nokia N9<br>
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On 09/11/2012 20:08 deng dongpo wrote:<br>
<br>
Hi Jeff and all<br>
I heard that the SteveC considered an address is high priority for<br>
making OSM more usable from Dan Cooke, who is a keynote in ACM<br>
GeoCrowd. <a href="http://www.geocrowd.eu/workshop_2012/" target="_blank">http://www.geocrowd.eu/workshop_2012/</a><br>
<br>
<br>
Coincidentally, Taiwan OSM community is running a map contest on how<br>
many addresses mappers make after SotM this year in Japan. This is<br>
because a T-shit received from OSM Japan after SotM. In order to send<br>
this T-shit to Taiwan mappers, we started the map contest.<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.geocrowd.eu/workshop_2012/" target="_blank">http://www.geocrowd.eu/workshop_2012/</a><br>
<br>
<br>
Few people registered this contest, but many TW mappers are attracted<br>
to make address on the map. I would not say that this contest is<br>
successful. At least, we encouraged more Taiwanese mappers to give<br>
address data.<br>
<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Dongpo<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Jeff Meyer <<a href="mailto:jeff@gwhat.org" target="_blank">jeff@gwhat.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> At SOTM US 2012, SteveC mentioned addressing as a high priority for making<br>
> OSM more usable, etc.<br>
><br>
> Does anyone have a primer on best practices for improving OSM addressing<br>
> quality quickly & efficiently?<br>
><br>
> For example, I like to walk around my hood, drawing houses & adding house<br>
> numbers, but that strikes me as inefficient for making any significant<br>
> impact (although it is strangely therapeutic) on a larger scale. Should we<br>
> be marking block numbers, etc., to provide a max / min for each block?<br>
><br>
> Thanks,<br>
> Jeff<br>
><br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Jeff Meyer<br>
> Global World History Atlas<br>
> <a href="http://www.gwhat.org" target="_blank">www.gwhat.org</a><br>
> <a href="mailto:jeff@gwhat.org" target="_blank">jeff@gwhat.org</a><br>
> <a href="tel:206-676-2347" value="+12066762347" target="_blank">206-676-2347</a><br>
><br>
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Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 16:22:43 -0600<br>
From: Toby Murray <<a href="mailto:toby.murray@gmail.com" target="_blank">toby.murray@gmail.com</a>><br>
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On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 1:34 PM, Jeff Meyer <<a href="mailto:jeff@gwhat.org" target="_blank">jeff@gwhat.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> At SOTM US 2012, SteveC mentioned addressing as a high priority for making<br>
> OSM more usable, etc.<br>
><br>
> Does anyone have a primer on best practices for improving OSM addressing<br>
> quality quickly & efficiently?<br>
><br>
> For example, I like to walk around my hood, drawing houses & adding house<br>
> numbers, but that strikes me as inefficient for making any significant<br>
> impact (although it is strangely therapeutic) on a larger scale. Should we<br>
> be marking block numbers, etc., to provide a max / min for each block?<br>
<br>
Doing anything in OSM as a single user in an inefficient way of making<br>
a significant impact. This is why we call it "crowd" sourcing :)<br>
<br>
Yes, you can use an address interpolation[1] to do a whole block at a<br>
time. Here in the US I kind of feel like this is a waste of time<br>
though since Nominatim already pulls in what is essentially an address<br>
interpolation from external TIGER data. So if I'm going to add address<br>
information I might as well make it better than what is already<br>
available. But in places without such external data I think address<br>
interpolations are a decent way of getting address coverage done<br>
quickly. Although I'm not sure if anything besides Nominatim really<br>
supports interpolations...<br>
<br>
Beyond that, I think it comes down to the same thing it always comes<br>
down to. More mappers. Specifically for address data I think there is<br>
a lot we can do to simplify the process. For example, if all I want to<br>
do is add an address and maybe some contact info to a POI that already<br>
exists, why do I need a full featured geospatial data editor like P2<br>
or JOSM? Why not a simple web form? I think as OSM gets into more<br>
maintenance of existing data as opposed to adding of new data, simple<br>
tag editors will be a good thing anyway.<br>
<br>
Oh and KeypadMapper is definitely a winner. I was able to collect<br>
about 120 residential addresses on a single stroll around my<br>
neighborhood. It took me longer to process the data once I got home<br>
but that's because I ended up drawing outlines of each house as I<br>
placed the address node from the KeypadMapper file.<br>
<br>
[1] <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Addresses#Using_interpolation" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Addresses#Using_interpolation</a><br>
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Toby<br>
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