<div>Apologies for being rhetorical and passive in my prior post. "Maybe" is incorrect.</div><div><br></div><div>The statement "(c) OpenStreetMap contributors" _is definitely_ a required credit. </div><div>
See: <a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright">http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright</a></div><div>"<span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:'Helvetica Neue',Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14.399999618530273px;line-height:18.399999618530273px">You are free to copy, distribute, transmit and adapt our data, as long as you credit OpenStreetMap and its contributors.</span>"</div>
<div>The page then goes on to describe how to do this credit. This web page defines our implementation of ODBL para 4.3.(a).</div><div><br></div><div>Up to now, I'm not talking only about the existing copyright markings and not about the teardrop / hammer mark</div>
<div><br></div><div>But, Alex has stated that he *does* want to replace that statement with a mark (sounds cool to me), so he's suggesting we amend the copyright and license terms, which might be doable under para 4.3 of the ODBL referenced by Paul (<a href="http://opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/1.0/">http://opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/1.0/</a>).</div>
<div><br></div><div>In addition, Alex is suggesting that the mark link not the existing copyright statement, but to a different contributors page, which seems (to this caveman lawyer) less likely to adhere to para 4.3.</div>
<div><br></div><div>The function of credit/attribution/notification that ODBL-derived data was a source for a Produced Work is a requirement of the ODBL.</div><div><br></div><div>So, we have a requirement for at least 1 mark that references at least source copyright, etc.</div>
<div>It seems like the options are:</div><div>a) Add a better sense & essence of contributors & modifiability to the existing copyright notice.</div><div>b) Add another mark</div><div><br></div><div>(a) seems more feasible, as I don't think OSM-related Produced Works want to add multiple marks to a single map (or would we), but who knows?</div>
<div><br></div><div>We definitely need Legal WG input here.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Paweł Paprota <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ppawel@fastmail.fm" target="_blank">ppawel@fastmail.fm</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="im">> Isn't the purpose of "OSM and Contributors" to "credit" or "attribute"<br>
> the<br>
> source of the map tile data?<br>
><br>
<br>
</div>Maybe, maybe not. More importantly - the fact that there's a discussion<br>
what this "mark" tries to communicate means that it fails to do it<br>
properly in the first place.<br>
<br>
At first glance I thought it was just sort of a banner to promote OSM<br>
but if it is to replace the legal attribution then it's not really doing<br>
that job. I support Kai's idea about separating the two functions. I<br>
like the Wikipedia example. It would be really cool to have a widely<br>
known "edit" button/symbol/"mark" sitting in the corner of embedded maps<br>
to show that the map is a living thing that can be corrected, enriched<br>
etc.<br>
<br>
I also agree with Tom - naming stuff *is* very important and is<br>
definitely not a side issue. Right now "contributors mark" suggests at<br>
least two different things - list of contributors or some kind of award<br>
for being a contributor and neither of them is true... This stuff should<br>
really be dead simple and intuitive, if you have to think about it as a<br>
user, explain, discuss then forget it, it won't work in the wild. Of<br>
course it's always harder to communicate more with less but that's the<br>
main challenge I see here...<br>
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Paweł<br>
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