<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div>> <span style="font-size: 12pt;">And I didn't understand anybody in this discussion as that: Not the</span></div>> visual identifier as it is a poor idea, but the REPLACEMENT of the text<br>> by this visual identifier is.<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16.363636016845703px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">>...</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16.363636016845703px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">> <span style="font-size: 12pt;">Reducing that to a visual project is a common error, but it's not correct.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;
background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16.363636016845703px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">I've seen a few responses that because OSM is about data, then attribution on maps should be in text.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">One does not follow another. "<span style="color: rgb(69, 69, 69); font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.63636302947998px;">"© OpenStreetMap contributors</span><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> " doesn't do anything to explain that notion.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;
background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><div style="font-size: 12pt; background-color: transparent;">It's a separate issue from a visual identifier for the use of OSM data on a slippy map. Even if OpenStreetMap</div><div style="font-size: 12pt; background-color: transparent;">were well known, the simple fact is that no one reads the copyright text at the bottom of any map, </div><div style="font-size: 12pt; background-color: transparent;">it's noise and clutter that we filter out (unless we're map geeks).</div><div><br></div></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16.363636016845703px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span style="font-size:
12pt;"><div style="color: rgb(69, 69, 69); font-size: 13.63636302947998px; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: transparent;"><a href="http://osmlab.github.io/attribution-mark/copyright/" style="background-color: transparent;">http://osmlab.github.io/attribution-mark/copyright/</a> <span style="font-size: 12pt; background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;">(which btw now has a bit of OSM.org chrome on it, nice)</span></div></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16.363636016845703px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">This page does a good job at communicating the nature of OSM. Most folks aren't going to come onto the talk@ list,</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york',
times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">and be told the difference in 3 different replies. Our web presence just isn't doing a good job at communication.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16.363636016845703px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">-Mikel</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(69, 69, 69); font-size: 13.63636302947998px; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; background-color:
transparent; font-style: normal;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(69, 69, 69); font-size: 13.63636302947998px; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;">* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron</span><br></div><div><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Peter Wendorff <wendorff@uni-paderborn.de><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> talk@openstreetmap.org <br> <b><span style="font-weight:
bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, April 26, 2013 4:12 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [OSM-talk] RFC updated: OSM Attribution Mark (was: contributor
mark)<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br>Hi Robert.<br><br>Am 26.04.2013 09:44, schrieb Robert Banick:<br>> As a cartographic project, isn't the whole point of OSM visual? It<br>> seems a big contradictory to assert that a visual identifier for a<br>> mapping project is a poor idea.<br>But OSM is not (only) a cartoGRAPHIC project, it's a geoDATA project.<br>One - and by far not the only - use case for that geodata is the<br>graphics - be it 2D, 3D or even Virtual Reality.<br><br>And I didn't understand anybody in this discussion as that: Not the<br>visual identifier as it is a poor idea, but the REPLACEMENT of the text<br>by this visual identifier is.<br><br>If the whole point of OSM would be visual, we would paint<br>collaboratively on a big canvas. Instead we put data in a database,<br>state where streets are intersecting and where they cross without being<br>connected using a bridge or a tunnel.<br><br>That's why routing,
geocoding and much more is possible with OSM.<br><br>Reducing that to a visual project is a common error, but it's not correct.<br><br>regards<br>Peter<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>talk mailing list<br><a ymailto="mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org" href="mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org">talk@openstreetmap.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk" target="_blank">http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk</a><br><br><br></div> </div> </div> </blockquote></div> </div></body></html>