<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra">Thank you for summarizing, Bryce.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">I'll comment specifically from the perspective of making iD default, which means in essence, making sure that we're in critical features on par with Potlatch 2. To have a constructive discussion we'll need to stay on topic.</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 5:53 PM, Bryce Nesbitt <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bryce2@obviously.com" target="_blank">bryce2@obviously.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><li>Potlatch is not maintained, and seems unlikely to be maintained. <span class="">iD</span> is the only presently viable way forward.<br>
</li></blockquote><div><br></div><div>+1</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<br></li><li><span class="">iD</span> is quite slow on older systems, and a suitable fallback to P2 has not yet been shown.<br></li></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Any specific issues here should be reported on <a href="http://github.com/systemed/iD/issues">http://github.com/systemed/iD/issues</a> . We need to make performance issues concrete.</div>
<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><li>There are concerns about how "cushioned" the editing experience is: if <span class="">iD</span> makes new users feel sufficiently comfortable they won't do damage, and if <span class="">iD</span> protects (or at least warns) enough about potentially damaging activity. </li>
</blockquote><div><br></div><div>To this point, ID's done a lot more than Potlatch 2 to provide guidance to a new user:</div><div><br></div><div>- first-time user walkthrough</div><div>- inline tag documentation via taginfo</div>
<div>- more comprehensive help (that one was easy ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>There are for sure places to improve, but I don't think anyone has made a convincing case for how iD is promoting worse editing than the current Potlatch 2.</div>
<div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><li>There are concerns that <span class="">iD</span> (and thus <a href="http://osm.org" target="_blank">osm.org</a>) will promote Facebook and Twitter, over other social networks.<br>
</li></blockquote><div><br></div><div> <a href="https://github.com/systemed/iD/issues/1706">https://github.com/systemed/iD/issues/1706</a></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<li> </li><li>There are concerns that <span class="">iD</span> makes deletion of features more prominent in the UI, compared to prior editors.<br></li></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Same as on P2 or on JOSM, not relevant for default or not discussion.</div>
<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><li>
<br></li><li>At least one user is concerned that anonymous bug reports are not possible at <a href="https://github.com/systemed/iD" target="_blank">https://github.com/systemed/<span class="">iD</span></a></li></blockquote>
<div><br></div><div>Right, no anonymous bug reports, just like P2, the OSM web site ;-) <a href="https://github.com/openstreetmap/potlatch2/issues">https://github.com/openstreetmap/potlatch2/issues</a></div><div><br></div>
<div>Again, beyond the topic of this issue.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<li><br></li><li>There are concerns that in simplifying the editing experience (see #2) some complex topics are not explained (e.g. relations, multipologons).<br>
<br></li></blockquote><div>We're on par here with P2 where relations go completely without explanation. </div><div><br></div><div>As a quick improvement let's add relations as a topic to iD's inline help: <a href="https://github.com/systemed/iD/issues/1708">https://github.com/systemed/iD/issues/1708</a><br>
</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><li></li><li>Social features, to help integrate a new mapper into community or correct editing mistakes, are not present yet.</li>
</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Right, they would be great to have. OT.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div>Sorry for harping on staying on topic here. My intention is not to stave off feedback, but to make a decision on when to flip the switch constructive.</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Thanks -</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Alex<br><br></div></div>