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On Apr 5, 2014 9:15 AM, "Matt Amos" <<a href="mailto:zerebubuth@gmail.com">zerebubuth@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 10:32 PM, Steve Coast <<a href="mailto:steve@asklater.com">steve@asklater.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> > SOTM EU and US, combined with the OSMF focus on being more of a theoretical body have reduced the profit and motivation in doing a SOTM to approximately zero. I hope it still happens, but I'd be surprised.<br>
><br>
> it wasn't so long ago [1] that people were writing they'd heard<br>
> comments that OSM "had been devised by Steve as a way to make a heap<br>
> of money from other peoples' effort", and there was recurring<br>
> criticism that he was behaving in some sort of sinister way. so it's<br>
> saddening, and not a little hypocritical, for steve to come out with<br>
> the same sorts of "evil board" conspiracy theories now.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Matt,</p>
<p dir="ltr">Steve was merely expressing his doubt that the conference would come together. He cast no aspersions on the Board that I could see and just described the landscape of conferences as he sees it. Suggesting that this is somehow a "conspiracy theory" is a stretch, and seems like you're just looking for an excuse to dump on Steve. </p>
<p dir="ltr">Feel free to respectfully disagree with Steve, me, or anyone on these threads, but calling someone "hypocritical" is unkind and unproductive.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Everyone-- please keep all comments on these mailing lists respectful of all of your fellow community members. They are one of our main communication channels and if they aren't a safe space for collaboration and discussion then we're depriving ourselves of our greatest asset: each other. </p>
<p dir="ltr">Kathleen</p>
<p dir="ltr">><br>
> the truth, as always, is more prosaic: back in September 2013, the<br>
> SOTM working group reported "The time of one state of the map (and<br>
> therefore all the sponsors) is over, so we need to think about the<br>
> role in the conference(s) in funding the operations of the OSMF and<br>
> server system. Previously it has been our main annual source of<br>
> income." [2]. as a result, other funding options were explored, and<br>
> the board minuted "The OSMF funding model for 2014 and beyond is based<br>
> on a combined model .... OSMF organised conferences (State Of The Map)<br>
> should continue to be at least self-financing." [3] in response.<br>
><br>
> the suggestion that the SOTM working group members are not motivated<br>
> is a new one to me. the last report from SOTM working group itself [4]<br>
> did not say anything of the sort. if any of them are reading this and<br>
> are feeling unable to continue, then - please! - let us know. i'm sure<br>
> alternative plans can be made, and i understand how hard it is to push<br>
> through to finishing something which has sapped all of your energy<br>
> (see the license change saga).<br>
><br>
> so, did OSMF reduce the profitability of SOTM - no. did OSMF reduce<br>
> the motivation of SOTM organisers - no. i, also, hope that SOTM<br>
> happens, and i hope it is very successful.<br>
><br>
> OSMF working groups are made up of members of the community - like<br>
> yourself - and if you feel strongly about some issues then i urge you<br>
> to offer your assistance to a working group, or join one. the OSMF<br>
> board is democratically elected and, although it's a lot of work, you<br>
> might consider running at the next AGM (iirc, at SOTM14).<br>
><br>
> cheers,<br>
><br>
> matt<br>
><br>
> (opinions above are solely my own except for quotations drawn from the<br>
> sources below)<br>
><br>
> [1] <a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/legal-talk/2007-March/000217.html">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/legal-talk/2007-March/000217.html</a><br>
> [2] <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EZHwUhWoRJ__DzmIW-FgzEKktji9AZQ1K_UDFx_PXrc/pub">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EZHwUhWoRJ__DzmIW-FgzEKktji9AZQ1K_UDFx_PXrc/pub</a><br>
> [3] <a href="http://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_Minutes_2013-12-10">http://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_Minutes_2013-12-10</a><br>
> [4] <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LVGogPGbFT88bfNY1MpK5PRZA9qi1Ys6QFz0Cl7OYcY/pub">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LVGogPGbFT88bfNY1MpK5PRZA9qi1Ys6QFz0Cl7OYcY/pub</a><br>
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