<div dir="ltr">Hi Paul,<div><br></div><div>I'm curious how HOT projects which are mentioned relate to this. What I mean is we frequently train other non-governmental organizations (NGOs), governments and universities in OSM. The proposed guidelines read to me that people would have to declare that they were being paid to map. A frequent scenario is we find a group that could benefit from OSM mapping, for example a civil society group (CSO) and show them how OSM works. They may then decide to incorporate it into one of their own projects. Some of the CSOs have a mix of volunteers and staff, so would both types of participants need to declare what they were doing? </div>
<div><br></div><div>Frequently people are more being paid to provide training than to map directly in OSM. Is this another scenario? </div><div><br></div><div>Should HOT contractors/staff then declare that they are being paid to train people in OSM? I don't think using separate accounts is a great idea for me personally I would have no idea when I should use one account versus an another. I would be perfectly happy to declare that I work for HOT on my user page, which it already does(1).</div>
<div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div><br></div><div>-Kate</div><div><br></div><div>(1) <a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/wonderchook">http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/wonderchook</a></div></div><div class="gmail_extra">
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 6:44 AM, Paul Norman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:penorman@mac.com" target="_blank">penorman@mac.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
We have more and more organizations and businesses mapping in OSM.<br>
Multiple organizations have been conducting paid editing in Europe and<br>
the US. This generally comes to light *after* complaints are made - with<br>
the company usually not identifying who they are, what their goals are,<br>
and what they want, beforehand. There have also been difficulties<br>
determining what has been mapped on behalf of an organization.<br>
<br>
We will likely see more of this type of editing in the future, and while<br>
not necessarily bad, there are differences between it and normal<br>
editing. Recent events in a project similar to OpenStreetMap - Wikipedia<br>
- have demonstrated that the participation of organizations in data<br>
editing can occasionally lead to misunderstandings or disharmony in the<br>
project, particularly where a lack of transparency is involved.<br>
<br>
For this reason the DWG is considering if it is necessary to issue<br>
guidelines for organizational editing. Some previous discussion is at<br>
<a href="http://lists.osm.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/2013-November/002344.html" target="_blank">http://lists.osm.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/2013-November/002344.html</a><br>
<br>
There are some activities we do not want to cover in the guidelines<br>
<br>
- Unorganized editing by employees, e.g. a shop owner adding their shop<br>
or nearby details to the map<br>
<br>
- Editors mapping in response to a contest or similar where the contest<br>
organizer does not have the power to require them to edit<br>
<br>
- Individuals who, on their own accord, decide to participate in an<br>
organised effort or challenge, like local mapping parties, Mapathons,<br>
HOT projects, etc<br>
<br>
Some possible guideline requirements could involve<br>
<br>
- Disclosing those who are directing them (e.g. employers or who they<br>
are contracting for) on the users page<br>
<br>
- Creating a wiki page with links to user pages of users mapping under<br>
an organization's direction<br>
<br>
- Requiring those working on broader projects to communicate and get<br>
feedback from the community before starting<br>
<br>
- Requiring disclosure of proprietary third-party sources used.<br>
Organizations may have data from third parties that they can legally<br>
use when contributing to OSM, but aren't able to directly show others<br>
the data<br>
<br>
- Maintaining separate accounts if doing both personal and organizational<br>
editing<br>
<br>
The extent of editing activities covered is something else that needs to<br>
be discussed.<br>
<br>
Some types of activities that *could* be covered are<br>
<br>
- Teachers requiring their students to edit OSM as part of a course<br>
<br>
- Consultants editing for multiple clients<br>
<br>
- Being required to edit as part of an employment relationship<br>
<br>
SEO spammers would be covered by this policy, but are not the target.<br>
They would ignore it, so we'll just end up using the existing tools<br>
of reverting and blocking.<br>
<br>
Paul Norman<br>
For the Data Working Group<br>
<br>
<br>
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