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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Thank you everybody!<br>
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      Finally I could resolve this, with the kind help provided in this
      issue:
      <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/633">https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/633</a><br>
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      Labels need a place=state tag in order to get rendered. A deeper
      discussion about how place areas should be rendered can be found
      here: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/546">https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/546</a><br>
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      Cheers,<br>
      Felix<br>
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      On 04/08/2014 09:55 PM, Pierre Béland wrote:<br>
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          background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">A by the
          nose recipe that you can try is to force update of the
          relation by simply modifying the order of the members in the
          list for the relation. After you save this relation, it will
          force the renderers to update for this relation.  I had such
          suggestions once and it did fix my problem.</div>
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                    style="font-weight:bold;">De :</span></b> Felix
                Delattre <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:maps@delattre.de"><maps@delattre.de></a><br>
                <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">À :</span></b> <br>
                <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc :</span></b> Talk
                Openstreetmap <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org"><talk@openstreetmap.org></a> <br>
                <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Envoyé le :</span></b>
                Mardi 8 avril 2014 17h23<br>
                <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Objet :</span></b>
                Re: [OSM-talk] admin_level 4 rendering<br>
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                      04/08/2014 02:36 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:<br
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                          <div class="yiv8446156683gmail_quote">2014-04-07
                            21:41 GMT+02:00 Paul Norman <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                              members are a pain and duplicate
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                        <div class="yiv8446156683gmail_extra">+1, avoid
                          them as they do not add something what would
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                        <div class="yiv8446156683gmail_extra">cheers,<br
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                        <div class="yiv8446156683gmail_extra">Martin<br
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                  Subareas still seem to be used in a lot of countries,
                  such as, those I ran into casually:<br clear="none">
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                  USA: <a moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow"
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                    href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/148838">http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/148838</a><br
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                  Ukraine: <a moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow"
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                  But checking other countries such as Germany,
                  Switzerland and Haiti I can see that it is not there.<br
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                  I removed those subareas from the Nicaragua country
                  relation and specified is_in=Nicaragua to the
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                  But, anyway this doesn't seem to have anything to do
                  with the rendering. Is it right that this label
                  rendering is happening only once in a while? Should we
                  just wait, or is there something wrong with out data?<br
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