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Hello, good morning there,<br>
Some answers, and yes, I am JBacc1, closer of many notes in France.
I also appreciate that this is (in my memory) the first time some
interest is shown on the note feature (outside perhaps dev, that I
do not read but was pointed to some interesting messages there).<br>
<i> Well I was surveying some area in France earlier this year
and found a spot with missing street names so I marked it</i><br>
Well, once again, QA tools exist in France for spotting them, for
example: <br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://layers.openstreetmap.fr/?zoom=17&lat=48.2973&lon=4.07614&layers=B0000TFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF">http://layers.openstreetmap.fr/?zoom=17&lat=48.2973&lon=4.07614&layers=B0000TFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF</a><br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://tile.openstreetmap.fr/?zoom=14&lat=48.95231&lon=4.37761&layers=B0000000FFFFTFF">http://tile.openstreetmap.fr/?zoom=14&lat=48.95231&lon=4.37761&layers=B0000000FFFFTFF</a><br>
Had the name of the street been added, I would have been grateful.
(And as I like the bad faith: is armchair mapping worst than
armchair note opening?)<br>
<i> Do we need a a note etiquette?</i><br>
Some of it is here: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Notes">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Notes</a>, in the
Do's and don'ts section, but could be expanded or be more precise.<br>
<i> But Notes are neither personal notes nor "commands" to the
crowd ("go survey"). IMO.</i><br>
Sure, just read the don'ts section: Don't use it to put your
personal notes. <br>
<i> I'd consider that a useful note, and certainly within the
scope of what notes were intended for.</i><br>
Bof, just go back to the previous links and add a note on all
no-name streets. And for citing the Dos: « for instance the name of
a street or an address »<br>
<i> I've been mapping Botswana remotely and many of the villages
don't even have proper streets but different sized paths and the
smaller ones don't have street names. I'm not posting Notes there
about missing street names because quite probably there aren't any
or we are unable to get the information until we get a local
mapper onboard.</i><br>
So you agree on different actions depending on the place you map. In
France, it seems we have more QA tools, then we may consider notes
as « street name missing » as low added value considering this info
is already available elsewhere.<br>
<i> Experienced mappers posting specifically worded Notes, for
themselves to fix later if possible or for others more
knowledgable to work on, sounds like good project management to
me.</i><br>
As long as they are not « personal notes ».<br>
<br>
And sure, personal notes have been asked for several times, or notes
classifications, but to me, it seems that notes have just been added
to the main page then forgotten, for example:<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/issues/486">https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/issues/486</a><br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/dev/2014-February/027728.html">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/dev/2014-February/027728.html</a>
(though I've just read this is changing now)<br>
<br>
JB.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 30/07/2014 01:26, Jóhannes Birgir
Jensson a écrit :<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Þann 29.7.2014 22:05, skrifaði
Andreas Labres:<br>
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<pre wrap="">On 29.07.14 22:32, Jóhannes Birgir Jensson wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Map Notes are in my mind a to-do list obvious problems that require surveying
on the ground
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<pre wrap="">I disagree with this (principle idea). </pre>
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I disagree with your disagreement. <br>
<blockquote cite="mid:53D81AA3.7080307@al.lab.at" type="cite">But
if the names exist and are really missing because nobody ever
looked there any closer, a Note expressing this doesn't help
anything.<br>
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On the contrary. I'm grateful when a Note appears in Iceland
stating something similar in a region already with street names
(as is the case around this note I posted) because it is usually
easy to find out - sometimes its a new road and sometimes we just
forgot to map it.<br>
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It points out an obvious thing, an unnamed street amongst streets
with names.<br>
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I've been mapping Botswana remotely and many of the villages don't
even have proper streets but different sized paths and the smaller
ones don't have street names. I'm not posting Notes there about
missing street names because quite probably there aren't any or we
are unable to get the information until we get a local mapper
onboard.<br>
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Experienced mappers posting specifically worded Notes, for
themselves to fix later if possible or for others more
knowledgable to work on, sounds like good project management to
me. If the note doesn't get attended to for a couple of years it
still doesn't lose its validity, the streets will still be unnamed
until we know better. I've posted Notes at rivers saying "Continue
drawing upstream" and a couple of weeks later the note is resolved
by a mapper who was looking for something to do.<br>
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Notes make people have something to do, whether locally or
remotely. A person eager to help opens the editor and then thinks
"now what?". Notes help us in keeping casual mappers interested.<br>
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To quote the Notes feature "<span style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34);
font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, sans-serif; font-size:
11px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight:
normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height:
17.99928092956543px; orphans: auto; text-align: left;
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal;
widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
display: inline !important; float: none; background-color:
rgb(255, 224, 204);">Spotted a mistake or something missing? Let
other mappers know so we can fix it." </span>This is verbatim.<br>
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-Jói<br>
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