<div dir="ltr">Reminds me of what Mapdust failed at.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 7:10 AM, Matthijs Melissen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:info@matthijsmelissen.nl" target="_blank">info@matthijsmelissen.nl</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I see a lot of comments like this. The underlying problem seems to be<br>
that it is not clear whether notes are meant for armchair mappers, or<br>
for surveyors in the field.<br>
<br>
I think both types of notes are useful: that way the notes can serve<br>
as a two-way communication between mappers in the field (for example<br>
novices who don't know how to edit the map themselves) and armchair<br>
mappers (who might want to communicate with mappers in the field if<br>
they are unable to do a field check themselves at that moment).<br>
<br>
So the solution might be very simple: make two types of notes, 'desk'<br>
notes and 'field' notes. The desk notes can be handled by armchair<br>
mappers. The field notes need a check in the field. Notes created by<br>
anonymous users should be desk notes by default, and if information is<br>
missing, the armchair mapper should be able to turn it into a field<br>
note.<br>
<br>
The notes JB refers seem to be field-type notes. I think they are<br>
useful, and I think it's not helpful if armchair mappers try to close<br>
all of them without doing a survey.<br>
<br>
Anyone think a split in field and desk notes is a good idea?<br>
Implementation of this should be easy.<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
-- Matthijs<br>
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On 10 August 2014 11:50, JB <<a href="mailto:jbosm@mailoo.org">jbosm@mailoo.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> Hello,<br>
> I think I will reopen the debate here, by asking a simple question: how many<br>
> of those saying "hey, let this note open, it does no harm to anybody" have<br>
> actually browsed a country for its opened notes and tried to close them? How<br>
> many have done the same with openstreetbugs during its last year of life?<br>
> If you have not, let me tell you, loud and clear: the note database will<br>
> become unusable soon. When you browse 10 notes and are forced to leave 9<br>
> open because it does provide no clean information, you just stop trying.<br>
> That is why during OSB close up, I found so many notes of that kind<br>
> (continue the path, this is wrong, this does not exist, etc.), that where<br>
> just not clear enough, or where just too old (the correction had been done<br>
> without OSB), and most of them where more than 2 years old. And this is why<br>
> OSB was a mess in the end.<br>
> I have tried to keep the DB clean in France, am still trying by beeing less<br>
> narrow-minded, but I just see its quality decreasing every day.<br>
> So I do not have the exact number, but adding some 10s of little valued<br>
> notes every week saying "this speed limit may be wrong", some of them added<br>
> by error (not along a highway) does not seem an improvement to the notes DB<br>
> to me.<br>
> JB.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Le 10/08/2014 09:42, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit :<br>
><br>
>><br>
>>> Il giorno 09/ago/2014, alle ore 13:56, Norbert Wenzel<br>
>>> <<a href="mailto:norbert.wenzel.lists@gmail.com">norbert.wenzel.lists@gmail.com</a>> ha scritto:<br>
>>><br>
>>> just seeing these notes along a<br>
>>> motorway every few kilometers. And since these messages don't tell what<br>
>>> the actual speed limit should be and where it starts it gets really<br>
>>> annoying to close all these automatically generated notes.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> why are you closing them, if you can't solve the issue? I would keep them<br>
>> open, if you are not sure that the limit is correct in OSM<br>
>><br>
>> cheers,<br>
>> Martin<br>
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