<html><head><style>body{font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px}</style></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color: rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;">Dave, </div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color: rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;"><br></div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color: rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;">MapRoulette challenges have been designed specifically with the armchair mapper in mind - no local knowledge should be required to fix what MapRoulette asks you to fix. </div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color: rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;"><br></div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color: rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;">If you can provide factual evidence that MapRoulette (or its new cousin MapBoxRoulette) are causing significant harm to OpenStreetMap data, please let me know and - at least for MapRoulette - I can see about appropriate measures. These could include providing better instructions, or even taking down a particular challenge - as I have done in the past. </div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color: rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;"><br></div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color: rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;">My extensive experience preparing MapRoulette challenges, listening to feedback from its users and looking at lots and lots of edits made by MapRoulette users all point to the conclusion that this is a good way to get a lot of eyes on particular problems, and get them fixed much, much faster than would otherwise have been possible. </div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color: rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;"><br></div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color: rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;">In a perfect world, we’d have local mappers everywhere. In the real world, we can use all the help we can get. MapRoulette gets help to some of the remote, forgotten places.</div> <div id="bloop_sign_1408753185131056128" class="bloop_sign"><div style="font-family:helvetica,arial;font-size:13px">-- <br>Martijn van Exel<br></div><div style="font-family:helvetica,arial;font-size:13px"><br></div></div><div style="color:black">From: <span style="color:black">Dave F.</span> <a href="mailto:davefox@madasafish.com"><davefox@madasafish.com></a><br>Reply: <span style="color:black">Dave F.</span> <a href="mailto:davefox@madasafish.com"><davefox@madasafish.com>></a><br>Date: <span style="color:black">August 22, 2014 at 6:16:33 PM</span><br>To: <span style="color:black">Martijn van Exel</span> <a href="mailto:m@rtijn.org"><m@rtijn.org>></a>, <span style="color:black">maproulette@openstreetmap.org</span> <a href="mailto:maproulette@openstreetmap.org"><maproulette@openstreetmap.org>></a>, <span style="color:black">OSM Talk</span> <a href="mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org"><talk@openstreetmap.org>></a><br>Subject: <span style="color:black"> Re: [OSM-talk] Detrimental to the OSM database (was: Ways needing smoothing back on track) <br></span></div><br> <blockquote type="cite" class="clean_bq"><span><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div></div><div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hello All<br>
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Please include all replies to OM-Talk:<br>
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I was meaning to start a separate thread on this subject, but this
seems the appropriate time & place.<br>
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This website, along with <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://osmlab.github.io/to-fix/">http://osmlab.github.io/to-fix/</a>
( & maybe others) are encouraging errors to be introduced to
the OSM database.<br>
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For obvious reasons there's a discouragement of armchair mapping.
These sites take it another step into inaccuracy by asking you to
randomly correct a supposed error ( & I /really/ want to
emphasise 'supposed') that the user can have no factual knowledge
of whether the error is true or not. <br>
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I live in the UK. How can I possibly know if there's genuinely a
"sharp angle" in Arizona or there's something less than 2 metres
away from another object that should be connected in
Cambodia?<br>
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IMO these websites are detrimental to the OSM database & should
be rescinded. <br>
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Dave F.<br>
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On 22/08/2014 22:25, Martijn van Exel wrote:<br></div>
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Hi all - just wanted to let you know that the ‘Ways Needing
Smoothing’ MapRoulette challenge is finally being updated again. It
used to consist of mostly false positives for the past week, and
there still are some, but there should be some fun to be had there
still :)</div>
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<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://maproulette.org/#t=waysneedingsmoothing/">http://maproulette.org/#t=waysneedingsmoothing/</a></div>
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It’s still U.S. only :( but we’re getting closer to being able to
doing it for other countries as well.</div>
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-- <br>
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