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I thank Christoph and Kathleen for
obliquely raising an issue ... which I'd crudely put as politics
versus bureaucracy. It is a very important one and touches back on
the topic of modus operandi of the OSMF board. I, perhaps in a
minority, regard the entire OSMF set-up as volunteer bureaucrats
...
we are primarily helping protecting and growing a resource, the
OSM
database, that is not ours. And, as I learnt during the license
change process, consensus-seeking is an e-x-t-r-e-m-e-l-y
important
part of the bureaucracy role.<br>
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So, Christoph, yes, I like to see what positions candidates take,
it helps me decide who will be the best bureaucrat and thus who I
will personally vote for. And Kathleen, yes, board members should
be both seeking and forming consensus. And if one starts that as a
candidate, all the better. Just remember that consensus is not
always the loudest voices!<br>
<br>
Mike<br>
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On 28/10/2014 11:50, Kathleen Danielson wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Christoph,
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<div>If you are concerned that something might "seem harsh,"
perhaps you shouldn't say it. I'm fairly certain you could
have expressed your point without telling me that I am
"opportunistically doing whatever the majority wants". </div>
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<div>What I am doing, in fact, is gathering information. I am
working to see if there is consensus to be built. I am asking
if this is something that others would like to see pursued. I
think that people like Richard have made the case for
disbanding the board beautifully, and I don't think that I
would have much to add. In fact, since Richard specifically
called me out as a part of the new generation of leaders, it
would seem rather self-serving for me to fiercely campaign for
it. I do have my own opinions about what I think we should do.
I've expressed some of them on these lists. I see a lot of
merit in the idea of restarting the board with a fresh
mandate, but it's complicated now that we have 3 seats to
elect, rather than 2-- perhaps we don't need to take such an
extreme measure anymore. However, the fact that the 3rd seat
only opened up a few hours before the window to announce
candidacy closed makes this even more complicated, because I
feel confident that with more time it would have changed the
field of candidates. Finally, I would like to see an election
held again soon with a larger voting base, because the events
of the past two week or so have certainly made more people
interested in voting who had never been members before (like
you, perhaps). </div>
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<div>This is all quite complex. I am far less interested in
being elected to the board than I am interested in helping the
OSM community. I decided to run because of the trainwreck that
we saw unfolding last week on this mailing list. I only had
another day or two to decide if I was going to run, and that
was the only thing I could think to do to help. I spent the
last year on the OSM-US board, so I certainly have the
credentials for it. This project is important. I can help. If
the membership agrees that I can help by being a member of the
board, they will elect me in. Great. If not, great-- I'll
probably have lower blood pressure as a result. Still, I'm not
going to stop trying to help this community, because it is a
project and a group of people that I believe in. </div>
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<div>This email isn't a part of my "election campaign". It's
just me, asking my peers what they want, because maybe I am in
a position to do something. </div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 10:16 AM,
Christoph Hormann <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:chris_hormann@gmx.de"
target="_blank">chris_hormann@gmx.de</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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class="">On Tuesday 28 October 2014, Kathleen Danielson
wrote:<br>
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> I'm curious about whether the membership is
interested in us pursuing<br>
> some kind of "reboot". We've only heard a few voices
on the topic,<br>
> which has made me reluctant to work on organizing
anything that might<br>
> go against the membership's wishes.<br>
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</span>This is more or less why i added these questions to<br>
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<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Foundation/AGM14/Election_to_Board"
target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Foundation/AGM14/Election_to_Board</a><br>
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to encourange everyone - members and candidates - to make up
their mind.<br>
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To be frank - if you expect the OSMF members to have an
opinion on the<br>
matter you should as an OSMF member yourself also have an
opinion.<br>
People who have a clear stance on this will probably want to
vote for<br>
someone who shares their opinion, not for someone who - i am
sorry if<br>
this seems harsh - opportunistically will do whatever the
majority<br>
wants.<br>
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I fully understand if you or other candidates think you
cannot (yet)<br>
form a qualified opinion on this but then i think you can't
expect this<br>
from the membership either.<br>
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Personally i would want to vote for someone who clearly
states her/his<br>
support for a restart since i find the accounts of Richard,
Frederik<br>
and others pretty convincing and supported by the observable
facts<br>
about the OSMF work. I am well aware this would also involve
the risk<br>
of the results being even worse than now (as for example
indicated by<br>
Randy Meech). But i am not an OSMF member so these thoughts
are quite<br>
academic...<br>
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Thanks by the way to you and the other candidates for
answering the<br>
questions on the wiki.<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
--<br>
Christoph Hormann<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.imagico.de/"
target="_blank">http://www.imagico.de/</a></font></span>penstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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