<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423670182099_453587">Hi JB</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423670182099_453586"><br></div><div style="" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423670182099_452522">You are probably from a
northern and developped country like me. But the reality is not the same
everywhere. There was a discussion on the OSM Mali list today. People
where discussing if it would be possible to meet this weekend with the
electric planified shoutage. Plus it is not everybody that has access to
a computer and internet. Go in the field? I mapped in the last few
days in the northern part of Quebec, Canada (innuit territory). I was
lucky to find imagery at some places. <br style="" class="" clear="none"></div><div style="" class="" id="yiv5159340068yui_3_16_0_1_1423670182099_444118"><br style="" class="" clear="none"></div><div style="" class="" dir="ltr" id="yiv5159340068yui_3_16_0_1_1423670182099_444119">Our
challenge is to innovate and let others participate differently.
Nothing is perfect in our OSM world. We just try to find ways to move
forward and let people participate in different ways.</div><div style="" class="" dir="ltr" id="yiv5159340068yui_3_16_0_1_1423670182099_444123"><br style="" class="" clear="none"></div><div style="" class="" dir="ltr" id="yiv5159340068yui_3_16_0_1_1423670182099_444122">About
come and survey? For the Haiyan Activation, people in the field added
notes describing infrastructures. Badly these were anonymous notes and I
could not contact them for more info. I replied to it and wait for an
answer. After a year, somebody responded to me recently and corrected
the map. <br style="" class="" clear="none"></div><div style="" class="" dir="ltr" id="yiv5159340068yui_3_16_0_1_1423670182099_444124"><br style="" class="" clear="none"></div><div style="" class="" dir="ltr" id="yiv5159340068yui_3_16_0_1_1423670182099_444125">This
is a workflow to build. For anonymous notes, if there are too many,
there could be a policy to remove them after a certain period of time.<br style="" class="" clear="none"></div><div style="" class="" id="yiv5159340068yui_3_16_0_1_1423670182099_444120"><br style="" class="" clear="none"><span style="" class=""></span></div><div style="" class="" dir="ltr" id="yiv5159340068yui_3_16_0_1_1423670182099_444126"><span style="" class="">regard</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423670182099_453554"><span></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423670182099_453555"> </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423670182099_453556" class="signature"><span style="font-style:italic;color:rgb(0, 0, 191);font-weight:bold;">Pierre <br></span></div><br> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423670182099_453559" style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423670182099_453558" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423670182099_453557" dir="ltr"> <hr id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423670182099_453585" size="1"> <font id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423670182099_453560" size="2" face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">De :</span></b> JB <jbosm@mailoo.org><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">À :</span></b> talk@openstreetmap.org <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Envoyé le :</span></b> Vendredi 13 février 2015 9h50<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Objet :</span></b> Re: [OSM-talk] "guide to vandalism” in OSM?<br> </font> </div> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423670182099_453639" class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv3108227414"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423670182099_453641">
<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423670182099_453640">After having looked at a few @osmthis notes, my conclusion is that it rarely helps: the location of the note is not precise enough, and the photo cannot help with finding the poi location. Should use photo + manual location.</div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423670182099_453642">Still wondering about this « presume good faith » thing. If every note should be resurveyed on the ground, why not just replace the creator text with « please come survey here » ? And then, just randomly create them around everywhere, just to encourage mappers get out ?</div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423670182099_453643">Sure, you got someone give an example of two bad faith notes in France, out of 21000 created, 19000 closed ? Are the statistics really worse than that of vandalism ?</div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423670182099_453644">JB.</div>
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<div>Le 12.02.2015 19:38, Pierre Béland a écrit :</div>
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<div dir="ltr" id="yiv3108227414yui_3_16_0_1_1423670182099_289172">We have to think of OSM as a global community where not all countires are equal with access to internet and computers. Often, people have smartphones and could contribute.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" id="yiv3108227414yui_3_16_0_1_1423670182099_289170">Adding a note with photo would greatly help. The @osmthis Twitter tag let's do this. But it is uneasy then to communicate with these persons.adding @osmthis. The same functionality in OSM would be fantastic. But with anonymous notes, we cannot contact these people and obtain clarification. Then the risk that notes stay open for a long period since incompleted.</div>
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<div class="yiv3108227414signature" id="yiv3108227414yui_3_16_0_1_1423670182099_289163"><span id="yiv3108227414yui_3_16_0_1_1423670182099_289364" style="font-style:italic;color:#0000bf;font-weight:bold;">Pierre <br clear="none"></span></div>
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<div dir="ltr" id="yiv3108227414yui_3_16_0_1_1423670182099_289164"><hr id="yiv3108227414yui_3_16_0_1_1423670182099_289323" size="1"><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:small;"> <strong><span style="font-weight:bold;">De :</span></strong> Maarten Deen <mdeen@xs4all.nl><br clear="none"><strong id="yiv3108227414yui_3_16_0_1_1423670182099_289366"><span id="yiv3108227414yui_3_16_0_1_1423670182099_289365" style="font-weight:bold;">À :</span></strong> talk@openstreetmap.org <br clear="none"><strong><span style="font-weight:bold;">Envoyé le :</span></strong> Jeudi 12 février 2015 12h43<br clear="none"><strong><span style="font-weight:bold;">Objet :</span></strong> Re: [OSM-talk] "guide to vandalism" in OSM?<br clear="none"></span></div>
<div class="yiv3108227414y_msg_container" id="yiv3108227414yui_3_16_0_1_1423670182099_289168"><br clear="none">On 2015-02-12 18:23, Pieren wrote:<br clear="none">> On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 4:29 PM, Michał Brzozowski <br clear="none">> <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:www.haxor@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:www.haxor@gmail.com">www.haxor@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>> @Pieren: You switch topics so easily that I'm not sure what are you<br clear="none">>> talking about precisely. Is your stance "Someone showed that it is<br clear="none">>> easy to add fake notes, therefore we must assume that every single POI<br clear="none">>> added from notes is fake unless we prove it 100%"?<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> I'm just saying that a note is not good enough as a single source for<br clear="none">> contribution. Especially when it is easy to verify like in the two<br clear="none">> reported examples (a bank and a bakery). And in case of doubt, you<br clear="none">> just leave the note open for others instead of compulsive "close<br clear="none">> notes" contributions.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">I agree. Especially new notes, just wait a while until someone who maybe <br clear="none">has local knowledge picks it up.<br clear="none">Another thought: give the possibility to add photo's to notes. That way <br clear="none">you have more confirmation that there is something. You still don't know <br clear="none">if it is there unless there are GPS coordinates in the picture, but it's <br clear="none">something.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Maarten
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