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<p>After having looked at a few @osmthis notes, my conclusion is that it rarely helps: the location of the note is not precise enough, and the photo cannot help with finding the poi location. Should use photo + manual location.</p>
<p>Still wondering about this « presume good faith » thing. If every note should be resurveyed on the ground, why not just replace the creator text with « please come survey here » ? And then, just randomly create them around everywhere, just to encourage mappers get out ?</p>
<p>Sure, you got someone give an example of two bad faith notes in France, out of 21000 created, 19000 closed ? Are the statistics really worse than that of vandalism ?</p>
<p>JB.</p>
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<p>Le 12.02.2015 19:38, Pierre Béland a écrit :</p>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423670182099_289170" dir="ltr">Adding a note with photo would greatly help. The @osmthis Twitter tag let's do this. But it is uneasy then to communicate with these persons.adding @osmthis. The same functionality in OSM would be fantastic. But with anonymous notes, we cannot contact these people and obtain clarification. Then the risk that notes stay open for a long period since incompleted.</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423670182099_289168" class="y_msg_container"><br />On 2015-02-12 18:23, Pieren wrote:<br clear="none" />> On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 4:29 PM, Michał Brzozowski <br clear="none" />> <<a href="mailto:www.haxor@gmail.com" shape="rect">www.haxor@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none" />> <br clear="none" />>> @Pieren: You switch topics so easily that I'm not sure what are you<br clear="none" />>> talking about precisely. Is your stance "Someone showed that it is<br clear="none" />>> easy to add fake notes, therefore we must assume that every single POI<br clear="none" />>> added from notes is fake unless we prove it 100%"?<br clear="none" />> <br clear="none" />> I'm just saying that a note is not good enough as a single source for<br clear="none" />> contribution. Especially when it is easy to verify like in the two<br clear="none" />> reported examples (a bank and a bakery). And in case of doubt, you<br clear="none" />> just leave the note open for others instead of compulsive "close<br clear="none" />> notes" contributions.<br clear="none" /><br clear="none" />I agree. Especially new notes, just wait a while until someone who maybe <br clear="none" />has local knowledge picks it up.<br clear="none" />Another thought: give the possibility to add photo's to notes. That way <br clear="none" />you have more confirmation that there is something. You still don't know <br clear="none" />if it is there unless there are GPS coordinates in the picture, but it's <br clear="none" />something.<br clear="none" /><br clear="none" />Maarten
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