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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">The suggests values of <br>
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weather related - rain/snow will change with the weather ..
naturally. <br>
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slippery = surface related ... could be tagged with surface=? <br>
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glass-shard .. can be cleaned up, thus temporary like the weather
... I have stopped and swept things off the path .. used some
cardboard out of a local bin. I've seen other cyclist do the
same. <br>
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Crime .. effects not only cyclist. <br>
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-------- As Paul says below - subjective. Not that that is a bad
thing .. but makes one mapper tag something as dangerous while
another says it is very good. So hard to set hard values on this.
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On 8/03/2015 4:47 AM, Paul Johnson wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I've brought this up before, but have since gone
with the general consensus that this is just too subjective,
even if we were to come up with some kind of rubric to
standardize things. A big and highly inconsistent issue between
regions is regional attitude. I don't care for on-street
riding, even in a reasonably extensive network of bike lanes in
Portland largely because motorists have a tendency of ignoring
lane access completely, often driving against traffic or in
reserved lanes to save time with pretty flagrant disregard for
safety. Or they just like to intentionally aim for cyclists and
pedestrians for laughs. And the cycleways tend to be a
congested and unpredictable clog of pedestrians, bicycles, and
dogs either off leash or walking on the other side of the
roadway from the person holding a 20-foot-long leash,
clotheslining everything in their reach. It's an NP-complete
perfect storm of pitfalls. Meanwhile, less experienced cyclists
would feel safer or safe in any of those situations.
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<div>Meanwhile, there's very few streets in Tulsa, Dallas or
Oklahoma City I don't feel too out of place on and cycleways
generally have pedestrian facilities except in suburbs (mostly
because the suburbs don't have the traffic to warrant them yet
and passing is a nonissue save for the occasional rare blind
curve, junction or hillcrest). Roads like Bixby's Memorial
Drive (US 64) or Oklahoma City's Portland Avenue (OK 74), with
their lack of shoulders, relatively high traffic volumes, and
total lack of even a "share the road" sign might not pose
substantial additional risk over a cycleway, mostly because
the drivers are mellow. However, the average American would
look at that and say, "Nope!"</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Mar 7, 2015 at 8:26 AM, Stefan
Keller <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:sfkeller@gmail.com" target="_blank">sfkeller@gmail.com</a>></span>
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.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br>
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What about crowdsourcing dangerous bicycle locations using
key/tag hazard?<br>
See <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/DE:Key:hazard"
target="_blank">http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/DE:Key:hazard</a><br>
And see also <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://twitter.com/sfkeller/status/574213951644368896"
target="_blank">https://twitter.com/sfkeller/status/574213951644368896</a><br>
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Yours, S.<br>
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