<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">2015-05-30 8:59 GMT+02:00 Roland Olbricht <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:roland.olbricht@gmx.de" target="_blank">roland.olbricht@gmx.de</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br>
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first of all, I appreciate the ongoing work of the DWG in general and Fredrik in particular to detect, discuss, and handle mass edits resembling mechanical edits. I will get to them in a separate thread.<br>
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What I would not support in OSM, and like to outsource to Wikidata or<br>
other, is if speakers of these 20 languages were to start assigning<br>
name tags in their language to thousands of places in, say, the UK.<br>
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Where do you draw the limit?<br>
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Yes, I've thought about that; name:en is very useful for me but<br>
ultimately, if the locals don't use it, then it isn't "on the ground",<br>
and then it shouldn't be in OSM really.<br>
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I happened to drive through Belgium a few days ago, heading home. A good approximation of home in this case is "name"="Köln". Actually, I found a street sign (150 km away from "Köln") that reads "Keulen". Should I have followed it or not?<br>
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Luckily, in the offline database on my device, the object with "name"="Köln" had a tag "name:nl"="Keulen". So I know that the sign is referring to my desired destination.<br>
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Please note that<br>
- I had no internet connectivity in that situation, hence "wikidata", any other external database or even non-copied OSM data was not an option.<br>
- I'm not citing the English name of the object in this mail to avoid redundancy. Is it worth it?<br>
- No street sign within the extend of the object "name"="Köln" displays "Keulen", hence it is not "on the [local] ground".<br>
- Not even a street sign within the Netherlands does display "Keulen" (although associated with ISO code "nl"). They show "Köln".<br>
- I myself live slightly outside the cultural perimeter of "Köln", seen from "Köln" themselves. Hence, I might be called "non-local" in a borderline strict sense.<br>
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So in total: Is it really a gain to remove all "name:XX" tags from "Köln"? And do we want to discuss such cases again and again with overzealous self-appointed curators? Please note, the DWG does recognize when the "on-the-ground" rule is a rule of thumb, but others with an OSM account might not.<br>
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I opt for: If a human mapper decides that it is worth adding "name:XX" to an object then let him/her do so. All annoying cases are covered by the mechanical edit policies, we don't need extra strict rules for name tags.<br>
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Best regards,<br>
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Roland<br>
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