<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 3 June 2015 at 09:45, Lester Caine <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lester@lsces.co.uk" target="_blank">lester@lsces.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="">On 03/06/15 01:04, pmailkeey . wrote:<br>
> OSM's k=v design is completely a serious and unnecessary flaw. Similarly<br>
> are 'categories' like man_made', and 'amenity'.<br>
> Why can we not simply stick to hard facts rather guessing what<br>
> categor(ies) an object fits in<br>
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</span>This is a bit like saying XML is the wrong base format. and actually I<br>
would agree with that, but the majority of material only works with a<br>
k=v structure. While for a few VALUES there are potentially only one<br>
k=v, they are very few and far between.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I'm not convinced. A value of yes as a stand-alone item is meaningless but a value of hedge is sufficient to indicate we're talking about a barrier. (please read below before responding to this item)</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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That there are a few keys that are confusing even when one is used to<br>
how they work is the real problem.<br>
amenity===shop===leisure===sport===tourism===building===landuse<br>
Just what combination is right for a single retail building with a<br>
leisure facility on the ground floor and accommodation above?<br>
<br>
building=detached is another peculiarity where the closed way identifies<br>
that fact and what is actually needed is simply building=residential<br>
unless it's contained in an area of landuse=residential ... is the<br>
building=residential now redundant?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>A value of residential here seems to need a key to identify whether it relates to a building or landuse. However, you suggest building=residential as possibly being redundant. In fact, I'd turn this on its head and make landuse=residential (with the exception of moles) redundant. The only residential landuse is directly under a building but by using landuse=residential, such areas cover gardens and highways - which are clearly not residences.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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The discussion recently on how a 'university' should be tagged probably<br>
encompasses all of the circularity with the current tagging practice,<br>
and where the hierarchy of tagging could best be agreed.<br>
<br>
Campus area === landuse=university<br>
Some universities are on several campuses, but there there are other<br>
landuse areas between, AND there should be no other landuse areas<br>
contained within the campus area, other tagging should identify water,<br>
woodland, grass, building, and the like WITHIN the area. Same for a<br>
shopping quarter, residential area and so on. (leisure=park rather than<br>
landuse=park)<br>
<br>
A retail facility is a building=retail and it's 'amenity'=convenience<br>
although a number of uses can be listed. So rather than<br>
amenity,shop,leisure,sport,tourism we have use= attached to building= or<br>
area= and we use landuse= to wrap the major function of the whole ground<br>
area ... hospital, theme_park, school, and so on ... just need an<br>
equivalent to building= for area= where there is no actual building so<br>
area=park between the building=apartments of a residential area.<br>
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