<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body><div><div style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">Help</div></div><div dir="ltr"><hr><span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-weight: bold;">From: </span><span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;"><a href="mailto:talk-request@openstreetmap.org">talk-request@openstreetmap.org</a></span><br><span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-weight: bold;">Sent: </span><span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">10/7/2015 6:15 AM</span><br><span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-weight: bold;">To: </span><span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;"><a href="mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org">talk@openstreetmap.org</a></span><br><span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-weight: bold;">Subject: </span><span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">talk Digest, Vol 134, Issue 11</span><br><br></div>Send talk mailing list submissions to<br> talk@openstreetmap.org<br><br>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk<br>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br> talk-request@openstreetmap.org<br><br>You can reach the person managing the list at<br> talk-owner@openstreetmap.org<br><br>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>than "Re: Contents of talk digest..."<br><br><br>Today's Topics:<br><br> 1. Re: User WJtW - railway track counts (Michael Reichert)<br> 2. Re: User WJtW - railway track counts (Richard Mann)<br> 3. Re: User WJtW - railway track counts (Colin Smale)<br> 4. Re: User WJtW - railway track counts (Colin Smale)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 10:57:49 +0200<br>From: Michael Reichert <nakaner@gmx.net><br>To: talk@openstreetmap.org<br>Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] User WJtW - railway track counts<br>Message-ID: <5614DE8D.3000004@gmx.net><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>Hi,<br><br>Am 2015-10-07 um 10:24 schrieb Richard Mann:<br>> Putting tracks=1 on multiple parallel tracks is also potentially<br>> misleading. It's a method of tagging that's been superseded by drawing each<br>> line separately.<br>> <br>> So I took to adding passenger_lines=N, to avoid a compatability conflict. I<br>> only did N=1 or N>=4, though.<br>> <br>> I'd suggest converting the tagging to tracks=1+passenger_lines=2.<br><br>You can find the tag detail=track on lots of tracks in South-West<br>Germany instead of tracks=1.<br><br>Best regards<br><br>Michael<br><br><br>-- <br>Per E-Mail kommuniziere ich bevorzugt GPG-verschlüsselt. (Mailinglisten<br>ausgenommen)<br>I prefer GPG encryption of emails. (does not apply on mailing lists)<br><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>A non-text attachment was scrubbed...<br>Name: signature.asc<br>Type: application/pgp-signature<br>Size: 819 bytes<br>Desc: OpenPGP digital signature<br>URL: <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/attachments/20151007/c662bd57/attachment-0001.sig><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 2<br>Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 10:11:46 +0100<br>From: Richard Mann <richard.mann.westoxford@gmail.com><br>To: Michael Reichert <nakaner@gmx.net><br>Cc: osm <talk@openstreetmap.org><br>Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] User WJtW - railway track counts<br>Message-ID:<br> <CAMLmWVtwSk7NvphfrA9-bXg7zbK5OsZUDLNcT_5+uHLGGJECDA@mail.gmail.com><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>I added track_detail=yes, to achieve much the same end. I haven't looked at<br>railway tagging for a while, though.<br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/attachments/20151007/dd05cddf/attachment-0001.html><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 3<br>Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2015 11:19:07 +0200<br>From: Colin Smale <colin.smale@xs4all.nl><br>To: talk@openstreetmap.org<br>Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] User WJtW - railway track counts<br>Message-ID: <b801997df2caaaa985a50698cdc8926c@xs4all.nl><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br> <br><br>What is "track_detail=yes"? I can't find it anywhere in the (English)<br>wiki... <br><br>//colin <br><br>On 2015-10-07 11:11, Richard Mann wrote: <br><br>> I added track_detail=yes, to achieve much the same end. I haven't looked at railway tagging for a while, though. <br>> <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> talk mailing list<br>> talk@openstreetmap.org<br>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk<br> <br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/attachments/20151007/bf9adfe4/attachment-0001.html><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 4<br>Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2015 11:20:57 +0200<br>From: Colin Smale <colin.smale@xs4all.nl><br>To: talk@openstreetmap.org<br>Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] User WJtW - railway track counts<br>Message-ID: <c6612d0dbfe3bfee4287447571bd36b3@xs4all.nl><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br> <br><br>Thanks for contacting DWG, Michael. <br><br>It is not limited to tracks=2 by the way - I have seen examples of four<br>tracks, all with tracks=4... <br><br>--colin <br><br>On 2015-10-07 10:56, Michael Reichert wrote: <br><br>> Hi.<br>> <br>> Am 2015-10-07 um 10:03 schrieb Colin Smale: <br>> <br>>> I am not sure it would be vandalism - It is more likely a<br>>> misunderstanding of the intention of the tracks=* tag. But it is very<br>>> damaging, and potentially hard to revert as this has been going on for<br>>> some time and newer edits may have been made. It may need something like<br>>> this: <br>>> <br>>> * Get all changesets from WJtW<br>>> * get all railway tracks from those changesets with tracks>1<br>>> * search back through the history to find where the tag was added<br>>> * see if it was user WJtW that did it<br>>> * If so, remove the tracks=* tag.<br>> <br>> I (a German railway mapper) have been notified by another user about<br>> WJtW's edits last week. I [1] have already started reverting parts of<br>> his edits. That's the way I did it:<br>> <br>> - Search for railway=rail + tracks=2 via Overpass Turbo (with meta as<br>> output variant)<br>> - Pick out one way of the result. If its last edited was done by WJtW, I<br>> had a lookat the changeset which did this edit using Achavi. If the<br>> changeset was mostly adding of tracks=2, I reverted it. Sometimes I did<br>> partial reverts if only parts of the changeset were bad.<br>> - If the last edit of the way was done by another user, I had a look<br>> into the way's history and looked for the bad changeset(s) there.<br>> <br>> You have to repeat this until the area which you are going to clean is<br>> free of tracks=2.<br>> <br>> Note: If you are looking at the area between Dortmund and Cologne -<br>> there are lots of ways with tracks=2 from old times (about 4 to 7 years<br>> ago) because tracks=2 has not been removed when the second track was<br>> added to OSM.<br>> <br>>> But in Dutch (as you will know) there is a wonderful expression about<br>>> trying to mop up (a flooded bathroom) while the tap is still running. We<br>>> need to turn the tap off and stop this getting any worse. <br>>> <br>>> It's starting to sound like a candidate for a user block until the user<br>>> engages in some kind of dialog.<br>> <br>> I have asked DWG to block him (0-hour-block) because he has been<br>> notified about his errors several times:<br>> <br>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/34049497 (21 days ago in German)<br>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/34264606 (11 days ago in English)<br>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/34313237 (7 days ago in English)<br>> <br>> It is not the first time that a user used tracks=2 the wrong way. There<br>> were/are users from time to time who add tracks=2 because there was a<br>> map by ITO rendering tracks=2. I asked the people from ITO to shut down<br>> this map a few days ago to prevent future abuse of tracks=2 as tagging<br>> for the renderer. I thank ITO for their quick reaction (the took the map<br>> offline). http://www.itoworld.com/map/group/1<br>> <br>> Best regards<br>> <br>> Michael aka Nakaner<br>> <br>> [1] via my cleanup account Nakaner-repair<br>> <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> talk mailing list<br>> talk@openstreetmap.org<br>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk<br> <br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/attachments/20151007/aec4af66/attachment-0001.html><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Subject: Digest Footer<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>talk mailing list<br>talk@openstreetmap.org<br>https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk<br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>End of talk Digest, Vol 134, Issue 11<br>*************************************<br></body></html>