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Topics:<br><br> 1. Re: User WJtW - railway track counts
(Michael Reichert)<br> 2. Re: User WJtW - railway track counts
(Richard Mann)<br> 3. Re: User WJtW - railway track counts
(Colin Smale)<br> 4. Re: User WJtW - railway track counts
(Colin
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1<br>Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 10:57:49 +0200<br>From: Michael Reichert
<nakaner@gmx.net><br>To: talk@openstreetmap.org<br>Subject: Re:
[OSM-talk] User WJtW - railway track counts<br>Message-ID:
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charset="utf-8"<br><br>Hi,<br><br>Am 2015-10-07 um 10:24 schrieb Richard
Mann:<br>> Putting tracks=1 on multiple parallel tracks is also
potentially<br>> misleading. It's a method of tagging that's been
superseded by drawing each<br>> line separately.<br>> <br>> So I
took to adding passenger_lines=N, to avoid a compatability conflict.
I<br>> only did N=1 or N>=4, though.<br>> <br>> I'd suggest
converting the tagging to tracks=1+passenger_lines=2.<br><br>You can find
the tag detail=track on lots of tracks in South-West<br>Germany instead of
tracks=1.<br><br>Best regards<br><br>Michael<br><br><br>-- <br>Per E-Mail
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<nakaner@gmx.net><br>Cc: osm
<talk@openstreetmap.org><br>Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] User WJtW -
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text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br> <br><br>What is "track_detail=yes"? I
can't find it anywhere in the (English)<br>wiki... <br><br>//colin
<br><br>On 2015-10-07 11:11, Richard Mann wrote: <br><br>> I added
track_detail=yes, to achieve much the same end. I haven't looked at railway
tagging for a while, though. <br>> <br>>
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text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br> <br><br>Thanks for contacting DWG,
Michael. <br><br>It is not limited to tracks=2 by the way - I have seen
examples of four<br>tracks, all with tracks=4... <br><br>--colin <br><br>On
2015-10-07 10:56, Michael Reichert wrote: <br><br>> Hi.<br>> <br>>
Am 2015-10-07 um 10:03 schrieb Colin Smale: <br>> <br>>> I am not
sure it would be vandalism - It is more likely a<br>>>
misunderstanding of the intention of the tracks=* tag. But it is
very<br>>> damaging, and potentially hard to revert as this has been
going on for<br>>> some time and newer edits may have been made. It
may need something like<br>>> this: <br>>> <br>>> * Get
all changesets from WJtW<br>>> * get all railway tracks from those
changesets with tracks>1<br>>> * search back through the history
to find where the tag was added<br>>> * see if it was user WJtW that
did it<br>>> * If so, remove the tracks=* tag.<br>> <br>> I (a
German railway mapper) have been notified by another user about<br>>
WJtW's edits last week. I [1] have already started reverting parts
of<br>> his edits. That's the way I did it:<br>> <br>> - Search
for railway=rail + tracks=2 via Overpass Turbo (with meta as<br>> output
variant)<br>> - Pick out one way of the result. If its last edited was
done by WJtW, I<br>> had a lookat the changeset which did this edit
using Achavi. If the<br>> changeset was mostly adding of tracks=2, I
reverted it. Sometimes I did<br>> partial reverts if only parts of the
changeset were bad.<br>> - If the last edit of the way was done by
another user, I had a look<br>> into the way's history and looked for
the bad changeset(s) there.<br>> <br>> You have to repeat this until
the area which you are going to clean is<br>> free of tracks=2.<br>>
<br>> Note: If you are looking at the area between Dortmund and Cologne
-<br>> there are lots of ways with tracks=2 from old times (about 4 to 7
years<br>> ago) because tracks=2 has not been removed when the second
track was<br>> added to OSM.<br>> <br>>> But in Dutch (as you
will know) there is a wonderful expression about<br>>> trying to mop
up (a flooded bathroom) while the tap is still running. We<br>>> need
to turn the tap off and stop this getting any worse. <br>>>
<br>>> It's starting to sound like a candidate for a user block until
the user<br>>> engages in some kind of dialog.<br>> <br>> I
have asked DWG to block him (0-hour-block) because he has been<br>>
notified about his errors several times:<br>> <br>>
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/34049497 (21 days ago in
German)<br>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/34264606 (11 days
ago in English)<br>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/34313237 (7
days ago in English)<br>> <br>> It is not the first time that a user
used tracks=2 the wrong way. There<br>> were/are users from time to time
who add tracks=2 because there was a<br>> map by ITO rendering tracks=2.
I asked the people from ITO to shut down<br>> this map a few days ago to
prevent future abuse of tracks=2 as tagging<br>> for the renderer. I
thank ITO for their quick reaction (the took the map<br>> offline).
http://www.itoworld.com/map/group/1<br>> <br>> Best regards<br>>
<br>> Michael aka Nakaner<br>> <br>> [1] via my cleanup account
Nakaner-repair<br>> <br>>
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