<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue-Light, Helvetica Neue Light, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div><span></span></div><div></div><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447881175624_74295" class="">This is confusion. Kate was challenging that notion and was saying that HOT is definitely part of the OSM community, and OSM encompassed a lot of methods. No one I've seen in HOT or OSM is anti OSM, that's just wrong.</span><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447881175624_72741" style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" class=""><br clear="none" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447881175624_74298" class=""></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447881175624_72743" style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" class="">We're all hear to create the best open map ever. Maybe we can focus on how to do that.<br clear="none" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447881175624_74301" class=""><br clear="none" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447881175624_74303" class=""></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447881175624_74269" dir="ltr"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447881175624_74305" class="">Mikel</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447881175624_74269" dir="ltr"> </div><div class="signature" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447881175624_74307">* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron</div> <br><div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue-Light, Helvetica Neue Light, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial"> On Thursday, November 19, 2015 8:57 AM, Simon Poole <simon@poole.ch> wrote:<br></font></div> <blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <br><br> <div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv4218527817"><div>
This seems a bit of an odd time to announce a schism and I'm sure
you didn't intend for your statement to come across as it just did.
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While rabid anti-OSMers are gaining more power and influence in HOT
and MM, I do assume that the majority of the HOT and MM communities
are not falling in to the trap of believing their own marketing copy
and realize that they are a small minority in the larger OSM
community and are dependent on the good will and support of the
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<div class="yiv4218527817yqt0761094377" id="yiv4218527817yqtfd60276"><div class="yiv4218527817moz-cite-prefix">Am 19.11.2015 um 14:28 schrieb Kate
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<div>The flaw with this logic is that people in HOT are not
participating in the OSM community. Is the OSM community to
remain static and "conventions" made years ago may never
change? Do we not have the same goal of a free map of the
entire world?</div>
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<div class="yiv4218527817gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 1:44 AM,
Christoph Hormann <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:chris_hormann@gmx.de" target="_blank" href="mailto:chris_hormann@gmx.de"></a><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv4218527817moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:chris_hormann@gmx.de" target="_blank" href="mailto:chris_hormann@gmx.de">chris_hormann@gmx.de</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none">
<blockquote class="yiv4218527817gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><span class="yiv4218527817">On Thursday 19 November 2015, Frederik Ramm
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> #MissingMaps #hotosm-project-12345 Lubumbashi, Congo
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</span>But to be fair this is not only the fault of the
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HOT project managers since they specifically instruct
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Generally the HOT project mapping instructions contain a lot
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by sourcing these instructions from the OSM wiki and
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community to provide input and fixes this way.<br clear="none">
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