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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 19/11/2015 11:52 AM, john whelan
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style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">HOT and
OSM are slightly different, HOT maps on OSM but uses a simpler
more standardized approach. Many of their volunteers often do
not know enough English to write a meaningful change set
comment.<br>
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style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">HOT
tends to map in areas that do not have a great deal of OSM
mapping already in place so I don't see that it really matters
if they use preset comments from the tile system. The HOT
comment gives you the task and tile number so you can look up
on the tile system where it is and also what has been asked
for.<br>
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Then why cannot the task / tile number be expressed in English?? As
the location is already given, what is so hard about a simple
statement of the 'what' for the changeset? <br>
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style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">Or are
we now asking that all mappers on OSM have to be able to read
and write in English since that is the normal language for
communication in OSM or is one of the local African languages
sufficient. If it is then I assure you I won't be able to
understand what it says.<br>
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I have no problem with an entry in ANY language. Wolf, French etc
etc. I probably won't understand it directly ... but I can use a web
based translator. <br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">I think
one thing I like about HOT is the validation process, an
experienced mapper goes over the mapping and tries to
eliminate as many errors or mis-tags as possible and ensure
that everything visible in the image is mapped, and yes I
understand armchair mappers are looked down on by many mappers
but the work they do is valuable in many areas.<br>
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style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">Cheerio
John <br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 18 November 2015 at 19:11, Frederik
Ramm <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br>
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I would like to draw everyone's attention to a
long-standing<br>
community recommendation:<br>
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<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Good_changeset_comments"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Good_changeset_comments</a><br>
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It explains why you should use sensible changeset comments
that describe<br>
what you (think you) have been doing.<br>
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I don't know exactly who encourages this, but I am seeing
lots of<br>
changesets with comments like this:<br>
<br>
#MissingMaps #hotosm-project-12345 Lubumbashi, Congo (DRC)
#100mapathons<br>
#OSMGeoWeek<br>
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This is *not* useful. First of all, we're not Twitter; we
don't evaluate<br>
these hashtags. I don't know if there are some downstream
services that<br>
do, but if so, please switch to using a secondary tag
(remember,<br>
changesets, like other OSM objects, can have any number of
tags).<br>
<br>
As a reader of the edit history of a place, I am interested
in someone<br>
writing that they have traced buildings or drawn roads or
done whatever.<br>
I'm not so much interested in (what I perceive as) vanity
hashtags, they<br>
don't help me understand what the person did.<br>
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I mean look at this:<br>
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<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/history#map=6/8.418/43.923"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/history#map=6/8.418/43.923</a><br>
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It's really a caricature of what changeset comments were
meant to be.<br>
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Can it be fixed somehow, or have we permanently moved from
changeset<br>
comments being aimed at your fellow human mappers to
changeset comments<br>
being auto-generated for consumption by some software that
makes sense<br>
of them?<br>
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Bye<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">Frederik<br>
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