<div dir="ltr">Can you explain to me what a "rapid anti-OSMer" is? I can only assume that is someone that prefers to use proprietary maps....likely a contributor to Google Mapmaker. Anyone who takes the time to get a OSM user account, contributes data, runs a mapping event or otherwise introduces people to OSM can hardly be considered anti-OSM. I think sometimes Missing Maps and HOT are singled out because it is easy to figure out what they are doing since much of the conversation seen is in English. Plenty of communities around the world have different views and ways of contributing to the project. Those stories don't always come out though and those groups aren't usually vocal on the osm-talk mailing list. </div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 5:54 AM, Simon Poole <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:simon@poole.ch" target="_blank">simon@poole.ch</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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This seems a bit of an odd time to announce a schism and I'm sure
you didn't intend for your statement to come across as it just did.
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While rabid anti-OSMers are gaining more power and influence in HOT
and MM, I do assume that the majority of the HOT and MM communities
are not falling in to the trap of believing their own marketing copy
and realize that they are a small minority in the larger OSM
community and are dependent on the good will and support of the
wider OSM community to make a difference.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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Simon</font></span><div><div class="h5"><br>
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<div>Am 19.11.2015 um 14:28 schrieb Kate
Chapman:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Christoph,
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<div>The flaw with this logic is that people in HOT are not
participating in the OSM community. Is the OSM community to
remain static and "conventions" made years ago may never
change? Do we not have the same goal of a free map of the
entire world?</div>
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<div>-Kate</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 1:44 AM,
Christoph Hormann <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:chris_hormann@gmx.de" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:chris_hormann@gmx.de" target="_blank">chris_hormann@gmx.de</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span>On Thursday 19 November 2015, Frederik Ramm
wrote:<br>
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> #MissingMaps #hotosm-project-12345 Lubumbashi, Congo
(DRC)<br>
> #100mapathons #OSMGeoWeek<br>
><br>
> This is *not* useful.<br>
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</span>But to be fair this is not only the fault of the
mappers but also of the<br>
HOT project managers since they specifically instruct
mappers to use<br>
such changeset comments.<br>
<br>
Generally the HOT project mapping instructions contain a lot
of things<br>
that are questionable from the viewpoint of the OSM
community. IMO HOT<br>
needs to make sure these comply with the OSM conventions,
for example<br>
by sourcing these instructions from the OSM wiki and
allowing the OSM<br>
community to provide input and fixes this way.<br>
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--<br>
Christoph Hormann<br>
<a href="http://www.imagico.de/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.imagico.de/</a><br>
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